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Go for it. If it also serves as a learning experience/experiment, then totally! I have heard good sounds from MIJ, but have had questionable luck with the hardware.

Most tone comes from the hands anyways... : )

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Your total, with shipping, is 20ish bucks on the re-ring, unless they are a lot closer to you than me. I know you are in the dairyland, and I am in God's Country....that is a 1"X20"X8ply maple ring. You already have the glue. No on cutting the shell at this point. Please don't try to go on the cheap and attempt to remove the other one unless it is loose al the way around. Those things are very fragile and the slightest miscalculation is going to wreck it. Besides, if you decise to veneer the interior of this bass to make it look nicer, you will want to have a two section set for that....trust me, and don't ask...it was a painful lesson. Let's get the ring first. Once it is in-hand, you will fit it and let's have a pow-wow before making any changes at all to the shell's edge bcause we don't know what the change is going to look like once it is in plsce. The glue may well accomplish the first task of setting up the ragged edge. I am going to share with you some secrets of fine woodworking.....or just dumb luck, however you choose to look at it.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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I have another idea about the re-ring. If you have an old wood hoop that has seen better days and you have no use anywhere else, this is a good plsce to put it to use. What you will do is just make a cut in the hoop at about a 60ish degree angle and start slowly trimming it back until it makes a good, tight fit, then glue it in place. I already have this visualized and planned out in my head, without using much wood filler, if any at all. However, it is going to require that the ring be installed before anything else can be done.

You see, I have a minds eye for detail like this, and it has to be shown as we go, I can't just tell you how it is done, we have to talk it out and work through it. That wrap has got to go...it is brutally unhandsome.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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From atomicmorganic

I suppose you could call me a drum snob, but why would you want to put that much time and energy into that drum? It would be easier to get a cheap shell and use the hardware off that one.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Respects to you Jonni :o - but I agree w\A-O - I mean if you wanted to do it just to do it - just to get practice on installng your own re-ring - go for it ! If so - Jonni's solution is hands-down the best ! You can even buy a 10-ply maple bass hoop from Aitwood (Anderson Trad'g) for $15-20 Cut it diagonally until it JUST fits inside the shell edge - clamp and glue the sh#t out of it (you'll need 20-plus clamps) - then rout the finished flat edge (suggest 45 degree interior w\ small exterior roundover) The problem becomes - the maple will rout wonderfully - but will the Luan start splintering all over the place ? Be careful

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Respects to you Jonni :o - but I agree wA-O - I mean if you wanted to do it just to do it - just to get practice on installng your own re-ring - go for it ! If so - Jonni's solution is hands-down the best ! You can even buy a 10-ply maple bass hoop from Aitwood (Anderson Trad'g) for $15-20 Cut it diagonally until it JUST fits inside the shell edge - clamp and glue the sh#t out of it (you'll need 20-plus clamps) - then rout the finished flat edge (suggest 45 degree interior w small exterior roundover) The problem becomes - the maple will rout wonderfully - but will the Luan start splintering all over the place ? Be careful[/COLOR]

I have never done it on a drum but firmly pressing masking tape over wood to be sawed/routed usually acts as an anti-splintering agent. Just a thought.

have a wonderful evening

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Posted on 14 years ago
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This is a simple fix. So simple, and so much simpler than you can imagine that it just looks so impossible. I promise you this: When we get into it, you will all go DOH!DOH that was so easy! How I could I have ever thought it so hard????

I know, it looks like a super daunting task. It ain't ! As it starts to move forward you are going to stand there in awe, slack-jawed even....Trust in an old hippie...it's easy! Like an Easy-Bake Oven, so easy.....

Did I mention this is going to be easy?

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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Thought I'd post a quick update on what I've dubbed the 'Trainwreck Restoration.' I didn't particularly want to strip the wrap, I didn't want to deal with making an aesthetic choice, but in order to fix the bearing edge it had to come off. Ain't she a beauty! Man, once I get the edge done, I could just give her a quick sand a apply a clear coat to show off that beautiful grain!

What have I gotten myself into? The exterior needs a wood filler bath, it's splinter city. At first I thought that I may have ruined the drum, so much wood came off. Oh well, if it sounds like crap I can always throw an Aquarian SKII on it, and no one will be able to tell.

And boy, this shell is thin - no more than 3/16 of an inch!

Posted on 14 years ago
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From cn679

And boy, this shell is thin - no more than 3/16 of an inch!

Less than that in places, now ..........

I had to just give in to the fact this evening that to go any further with a pair of bass drum hoops would be the best thing.

Just chewed all to crap..... the channel for the inlay is shot out...... the exteriors next to it are so thin and compressed at points that the inlay has nowhere to seat... the list of problems goes on and on from there.

Sure, I could invest another 4 hours in them, and with the correct tools, they will look better, ... but they will never look good again.

I will replace them with new ones later on.

Kevin
Posted on 14 years ago
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Yes.

That was in response to the thread title.

Go Jonni Go. I love watching this stuff.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Man that drum is a train wreck.

Posted on 14 years ago
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