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Modern clutch to fit Vintage HiHat stand

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Let me throw out a history question and observation with hi-hats and clutches.

I have gotten 2 questions in the last few weeks on this topic.

when I learned the set from a big band drummer he discussed the hi hat in detail and went over the hats and how to set them up on the hi hat stand correctly. (In his mind) I followed those teachings through my playing years and as a teacher always had the same discussion with new students.

1. Never lock the top cymbal in or tighten it. Adjust it so the top cymbal moves freely. Normally I put the cymbal on the clutch tighten it to a certain point and make sure it moves freely, just like a crash cymbal. Snug, but not choked.

2. Adjust the bottom cymbal tilter screw so that that bottom cymbal is slightly tilted allowing the cymbals to be closer on one side and more open on the other.

3. Point the more open part of the hat toward the band/audience so that the projection of the "Chick" travels out to them.

Basically I think most drummers tighten the heck out of the top cymbal and barely tilt the bottom cymbal. Is this just the way it is now?

If you study video on Youtube you can see many of the great drummers have a nice movement with the hats.

The Open-Close Sound, Crushed Hats and Swing Style Cymbal work all sound better (In my opinion) with "Free" cymbals.

This clutch in the discussion clearly "Locks" the top cymbal in place.

What is normal for you players out there and can you offer any more information on the topic. I want to do a short video on the set-up I learned, but would also like to make sure the "Younger" crowd is covered.

David

Posted on 14 years ago
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50's Thin Zildjians setup pretty loose, closed more to the inside than outside. Since my kid plays a lot of blues gigs getting that old sloppy shuffle sound can only be acheived by not choking the cymbals. These cymbals are GREAT for blues, jazz and classic rock. A's seem to give more of a modern sound even when setup loose.

Just my .02

My kid on drums...hats are set the way I described. '58 Slingy Ducos BTW 22" bass, snare, tom...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWLyqZVhIg[/ame]

HEY ADAM...DOES THAT SNARE SOUND FAMILIAR?

30's Radio King - 26, 13, 13, 16
49 - WFL Ray McKinley - 26, 13, 16
58 - Slingerland Duco
58 - Slingerland Krupa Deluxe
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 20, 12, 14
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 22 (need), 13, 16
And some others..
Posted on 14 years ago
#12
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From GoneDrumming

50's Thin Zildjians setup pretty loose, closed more to the inside than outside. Since my kid plays a lot of blues gigs getting that old sloppy shuffle sound can only be acheived by not choking the cymbals. These cymbals are GREAT for blues, jazz and classic rock. A's seem to give more of a modern sound even when setup loose.Just my .02My kid on drums...hats are set the way I described. '58 Slingy Ducos BTW 22" bass, snare, tom...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWLyqZVhIg

Good stuff, great he's a musician no a drummer. also i bought out a music store cymbal inventory around 10 years a go, i sold a pair of 15"z custom hi hats to a young drummer mid teen, he broke the top cymbal in 3 days, man these things are battleship armour, when i went to look at the hats the top was so tighten down, i had to use a pair of pliers to remove the clutch from the top cymbal, he told me all my buds do this, sold another pair to him and after spending an hour with the knot head, he still has the same pair after several years no more broken cymbals,,Excited

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
#13
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You can hear the hats really well in this one.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcW25DE1uhs[/ame]

30's Radio King - 26, 13, 13, 16
49 - WFL Ray McKinley - 26, 13, 16
58 - Slingerland Duco
58 - Slingerland Krupa Deluxe
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 20, 12, 14
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 22 (need), 13, 16
And some others..
Posted on 14 years ago
#14
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paiste 2002 - medium top, heavy bottom.

dont over tighten then top, i like to let it "float". i do offset the bottom hat, but not much, I like a cleaner hat sound. the only down side is you have to play harder on the chick strokes to get it to cut a little more

hit hard
Posted on 14 years ago
#15
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Hi all,

Just to say that I have not forgotten to get an answer of the clutch hole diameter fro Axis.

Well those that are interested. I have heard (at long last from Axis..) they apologise for the delay in response to me. They have not yet got an answer but have promised to get one for me.

So I will post when I do hear...

BJ

Posted on 14 years ago
#16
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At Long last Axis have got back to me.

They have apologised for the delay.

The centre diameter of their clutch is 9/32 or .281

I hope this helps.

Regards

Bruce

Posted on 14 years ago
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