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What cool vintage hardware actually works well today?

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Walburg and Auge was some bulletproof stuff man!! They were very involved with Ludwig, Rogers and Gretsch, as W&A made LOTS of the hardware for those companies.

One of my personal favorite snare stands is the W&A Buck Rogers. There were a few different models of this stand, but they all were just slightly cosmetically different for whatever company they were produced for. If you've seen a Ludwig Atlas or Hercules snare stand, that design was a direct copy pretty much, the Buck rogers was just slightly lighter weight.

To this day I STILL use Ludwig's 1400 series cymbal stands, I prefer them to ANY other stand even made today. At one time I had those heavy Atlas and Hercules stands, and I can't justify the added weight as I don't ever have a problem with the smaller 1400's!!

My Hi-Hat stand of choice is the Ludwig Big Beat, (pictured in a post above) and it's my go to Hi-Hat I've got 5 of them so I'll never be without one!! I might occasionally use the slightly smaller Ludwig 1123-1 Hi-Hat stand (commonly called a "Spurlock", although all Ludwig Hi-Hats from that era had the Spurlock feature)

I still use an old STYLE strap drive pedal, but it's a NEW one from DW, the 5000 Strap Drive. It's simply an upgraded version of the old Camco, Gretsch Floating Action, and the Slingerland Tempo King. Slingerland made their own design, but it was a close copy of the others and pretty much plays the same. I use the NEW version that DW makes because it's just a stable version of the old action. The bearings in the heel plate, and the flat red plate under the pedal just make a great playing pedal even MORE responsive as it's not wasting your motion with sloppy sleeve style bearings that wear and flop around. Other than some improvements like that it's essentially the SAME pedal, most parts can be exchanged out between the new and old ones.

Added some pictures so you'll know what I'm talkin' about:

The Buck Rogers: 1400 Stand: 1123-1 Hi-Hat: New Strap Drive DW

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I use a mix. I use the 1123 hi-hat and a WFL flat based snare stand. Cymbal stands are new Ludwig flat based stands(I don't notice any negative effects, but I don't record much, but I do play live several times a week.) And an Axis A pedal. I just got a Taye XP1 pedal but I'm waiting for a part.

Posted on 15 years ago
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I had a couple of old WFL snare stands. One of them found a place in a homemade microphone suspension cradle. The plastic ring the mic sits in is a toilet flange, and who knows what that in a karma sorta way adds to the sound...

[IMG]http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/kaaawa2000/NEUMMANSUSPENSIONMOUNT.jpg[/IMG]

It's got four, count 'em 4 adjustable panty hose spit screens. What'd you call me?

The "real ones" are up to $400 nowadays. $400 for a mic holder... I'm stickin' with the WFL toilet ring any day.

Posted on 15 years ago
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PERFECT! Great thread - thanks for posting the link too.

Please P.M. with if you have more info on the Hi-Hat stand.

I've been looking for another photo of a Ludwig Hi-Hat stand with a SpeedKing pedal foot plate for months now!

When I bought my 58 Gretsch kit a box of drum hardware came with the deal.

The "goodies" cardboard box included a Ludwig Hi-Hat stand with a SpeedKing bd pedal footplate. There also was a totally seized SpeedKing bd pedal which I'm very happy to say cleaned up and is working beautifully and I'm using it and finding that pedal - even with my size 15 kippers - lol - is the very best and easies pedal I've ever played.

Here's some photos of my Hi-Hat before & after.

From MastroSnare

Ludwig was until they got the money to make their own.I love my W&A hihat - this one in the WFL flavor with the exact same pedal part as the WFL Speedking... it's the same as the Gretsch hihat... if you had the money they would have made one with your name on it:Wally's are small and never break or loose their rubber feet (well maybe one every 30-40 years):I can fit my 4 W&A cymbal stands, plus snare and hihat in the top of my trap case and the weight and size of them is about the same as 1 double braced cymbal stand.I would love to know more about these stands if anybody knows! Their off the wall extravaganza has got to be the Leedy contraption that Sonny Greer and Chick Webb used, if you've seen that... it's Carl Palmer circa 1930.I put some pics here too:http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=8594&page=3I am on a constant lookout for info on W&A, and Stanley Spector, two enigmas that time has swept under the carpet.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Hi Knavel

I should maybe have posted this reply before my reply above.

The hardware that came with my 58 Gretsch kit is unbelievabley good - I'm quite impressed actually. The Hi-Hat has actually got brass and a Wood part in it.......no way you're getting a wood part in a ha-stand these days - maybe that's good - haha - but really, wow!

I'm using the old Ludwig speed pedal that came with the kit and I'm liking it more that the pedal Gibraltar - 9611 db - I use with my large kit Gretsch kit. The Walberg&Auge/Ludwig Hihat is working well too. It's 50 yrs old and working great - I love it.

PIX shows part of the Hi-Hat rod, the brass-thingie and the WOOD washer that's part of the internal workings - now that's pretty cool - the hat stand works like a charm.

Tip: see "compare" photo of two different era Ludwig SpeedKing pedals attached. Notice the pedal on the left has a longer hoop rest. This will allow you more adjustment to keep your beater mechanism further away from the drum head. Just something to keep in mind.

I don't want to sell this stand - it's staying with my old Gretsch kit - but if any of you out there knows anything more about it - the collectability - what it may be worth etc. I would not mind knowing that.

Good luck with your quest there Knavel.

From knavel

I asked about a round badge Gretsch set a few weeks ago and one of the very appreciated comments to the pictures of what I bought mentioned basically "the old hi hat stand is cool but doesn't really work well".This got me thinking: I am not such a purist that every last thing has to be vintage Gretsch, but I would like it to look of the period for that set. (I came of age in the 80s and was instantly scared by thick boom stand hardware or worse those drum racks).What old stands and pedals are actually really good in the modern world?I think this question is most important when it comes to stuff that actually has to be responsive to the drummer, namely--1) Bass drum pedal; and2) Hi hat stand.What do you guys really like that a trip to Ebay would yield and that would look good with this Gretsch set? Alternatively, I am getting a Gretsch Floating Action pedal (leather strap replaced) with the set. Are those any good and can I just stick with this?Thanks for sharing your views.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Man, this is a great thread.

Like many others, I really love my Ludwig speed king pedal. It just feels right...there is no other way I can explain it. I had been playing iron cobra pedals for about 10 yrs, and swore by them, but decided to give the speed king a try when I bought my Bonham vistalite kit last year.I was surprised how well the speed king compared, and now, its the only pedal I play with. I also really like the way the speed king pedal fits in with the look of vintage kits.

“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.” - Charles Darwin
Posted on 14 years ago
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I play like i failed anger management classes.. :)

Posted on 14 years ago
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Big R Supreme and Ghost kick pedals for me. I can't stand Speed Kings, never could adjust to comfortable playing level for me.

Found it!!
Posted on 14 years ago
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I use 70s/early 80s Yamaha stands that have never failed. They're single-braced but sturdy.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From james

Man, this is a great thread. Like many others, I really love my Ludwig speed king pedal. It just feels right...there is no other way I can explain it. - its the only pedal I play with. I also really like the way the speed king pedal fits in with the look of vintage kits.

I'm with you there James ole boy.

I have size 15 feet and in the 60's & early 70's I never even gave the SpeedKing a chance - thinking it was too small for my feet. Fast forward to 2009. I resurrected an old SK bd pedal (the W&A/Ludwig hihat too) and gave it a try with my 58 Gretsch kit. Man - what an easy pedal to play! It's miles ahead of my Gibraltar 9611 and I really like that pedal. I've been switching back and forth from my Purewoods - the 9611 is a db pedal system - and the old SK. I cannot believe how nice the Ludwig pedal is. It's very fluid - accurate as hell with that arch & metal pull strap. And - to echo your post James - it fits nicely with my vintage drums - the hihat too.

Bloody hell - I say old boy(s) - harray for these old parts!

Posted on 14 years ago
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