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Question about quality of vintage hardware

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Hey, all.

I'm in a debate with some drummer friends about old hardware / stands, etc.

See, i just picked up a '63 slingerland kit ( blue sparkle pearl ), and it came with just the drums. Being a bit of a vintage preservationist i'm on a quest to pick up old period-correct vintage stands, snare stand, kick pedal, hi-hat stand, etc, that are for this kit. I'm having somewhat decent luck finding the stuff - apparently a lot of people have this gear and aren't using it... and i'm paying about $25 per item.

My brother in law says not to bother with it - that his old slingerland hi-hat was barely funcitonal... and that the quality of construction just wasn't that good. He just used old drums and substituted in new pedals and stands and such.

I'm more inclined to believe he just had one that needed some maintenance. I mean, Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa played on this gear. If some of the best drummers ever to have lived got the job done with old slingerland gear, how come i can't?

People say the same thing about my old '60s vespas and lambrettas - "why don't you just get a new 500cc motorcycle?" ... because that's not the bloody point, right?

So... what's your thoughts? Can i just oil / polish / tweak these old stands and make them work? I'm playing reggae / rocksteady ... not death metal ... and as such i'm not playing very aggressively.

Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions to an absolute beginner.

-Eric

Posted on 14 years ago
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WelcomeWow, now you have to find out what the model number of the kit is, from what year, and then get just the right hardware package. And congrats on the cool new kit!

I have to agree with you in that how in the world did they get the job done if it was such crap! So, if they don't think it's wise, offer them $25 for their old gear, and wander off happily. And as for the clean up of vintage struff, do not use steel wool or foil on your chrome parts. I use Turtl Wax rubbing compound (no endorsement meant just that it is what I have at the moment). It is a bit messy, but it does an admirable job, to say the least. For rust, you may PM for more info on how I deal with it.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Well, it's a 22-13-16 3-ply, stamped Oct, 1963.

What are my options for which model it is, in order to derive the hardware kit?

And are there places i just buy the hardware kit outright? I figured there'd be some searching involved.

-Eric

Posted on 14 years ago
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Old drums, new hardware. I recently started using flat base cymbal stands, the dw 6000 series. Love the look with all my kits and love the memory locks,modern tilters and light weight. I have gone through too many high hat stands so I will never get rid of my heavy duty one.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Is this your set?

The model numbers for the hardware are listed, and might help you in your search on Ebay, Craigslist, and on this and other drum forums/sites.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Congrats on the new-to-you set...I'm sure you'll be happy with them.

Using period-correct hardware makes sense and there's nothing wrong with it if that's what you want to do. Of course, there's nothing wrong with using the latest heavy-duty steel either...it all comes down to what you want and what your budget & your back will support, and what works without collapsing.

I have modern DW stands for my Slingerland 5-ply 1980's set, and vintage flat-base stands for my 3-ply 1960's Slingerlands. In both cases the stands work for me and they function as I need them to. To me, my 3-ply set with bass-mounted cymbal holder and straight floor tom legs just looks better with the flat-based stands...bulky DW or Gibraltar or Yamaha stands would look out of place to me. For my 5-ply set the beefier stands look like they belong. It's all a matter of personal preference. Of course, if you're concerned about period-correctness and/or resale value to a collector, you might want to be more thorough in your choice.

Most important thing is enjoy your drums!

Jeff

Posted on 14 years ago
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From kevins

Is this your set?The model numbers for the hardware are listed, and might help you in your search on Ebay, Craigslist, and on this and other drum forums/sites.

My drums certainly look like that… except my floor tom has the normal bent-legs we expect on a floor tom, and not these straight ones.

*edit*

Actually, as i look at this, the little bracket that the rack tom mounts to is different on mine. It's tubular shaped...curved... mounts with 2 holes... and then there's a clamp-sorta bracket that bolts to that, and the tom mounts to that.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Vintage hardware should be fine for most playing situations. I travelled with a full set of Camco hardware (viewed by many as inferior to other brands) from the early 70's until 1981. It worked fine under heavy playing situations, although I'm not exactly a pounder. I still have most of it, although the years of handling and storage in a trailer took it's toll on the chrome. Before that I gigged with lighter Ludwig hardware for several years that was still in good condition when I sold it.

Yes, occasionally a part would need replacement, but I've seen tons of more modern, so called heavy-duty Pearl, Tama, Yamaha, etc. hardware with sand cast or soft steel parts self destruct while working for a music store in the 80's and 90's.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I use all vintage Walberg & Auge hardware except my kick pedal and stool.

The Slingerland cymbal stands aren't bad, the snare stands are ok, the hi hat stand some people like but I really don't and I can't stand that kick pedal.

It totally is up to whether you like it. Of course it will work 'cause like you said, the greats used that stuff.

I've heard people say that the old stuff wouldn't stand up. Here's Ringo's left foot (see pic) with his old Ludwig hi hat the first night they played Ed Sullivan. If the stand was good enough for that gig I figure it'll work for me playing gigs around town.

BTW, looks like Ringo liked his stool "backwards" to how I thought you were "supposed" to use it, plus he's missing the rubber tip too. Maybe they hadn't got paid yet.

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I myself, have all dw hardware, and use the hihat and bass drum pedal almost exclusively, but with that said, the old slingerland, ludwig, rogers hardware, is excellent stuff, and i use vintage cymbal stands almost exclusively, and a ludwig speed king, if you get use to one you'll never go back,but the slingerland bass drum pedals are great to, get my piont vintage hardware is going to get the job, gone!!!! Yes Sir

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Posted on 14 years ago
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