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From BosLover

Much more than cool, there were practical reasons for urban drummers in big cities, where most of the jazz was located, to play 12/14/18 kits. As you mentioned, portability was a key factor for many drummers, including me. Try navigating subways and cabs in a busy urban setting with large drums, lot's of cymbals and heavy duty hardware. From the late '60s through the late '70s when I was gigging in Greenwich Village, Soho, and midtown Manhattan, ease of transportation was a significant feature of a kit. Smaller drum sizes with light weight stands, pedals and accessories, and compactness using a minimum number of cases was extremely important. I used my 20" Lugwig BD when someone was giving me a ride, but if I had to use a cab or subway it was always an 18" bop BD. To make getting to and from a gig more tolerable, I often played a simple two piece set in those days. I used an 18" inch bass drum in a case with a pocket in which I also stored an 18" thin crash/ride and a 16" crash. Along with that I has a specially sized and built small wheeled trap case that I had made for me at Frank Ippolito's drum shop. In it I kept my Ludwig Supraphonc with my 14" hats pressed against it in a protective bag, very compact and light weight stands and pedals, and all my sticks and brushes. In addition, I had the case sized so when I turned it on its side it served as my throne with a thin circular foam pillow I made myself and stored on top of the cymbals in the BD bag.As a result, I was able to navigate the streets, subways and cabs with just two cases, a relatively light rolling trap case, and an 18 inch bass drum case with a cymbal pocket. :)

Great point.

It cannot be easy being a gigging drummer in Manhattan! Buses, subways and cabs is not the easiest way to transport drums, and the cabs these days are sub compact jokes, not full size Checkers and Grand Marquis! Most of the clubs are pretty small and intimate anyway, so need for big kits.

There's a reason that the Gretsch Catalina's are such big sellers.

Posted on 4 years ago
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From JimmySticks

Great point.It cannot be easy being a gigging drummer in Manhattan! Buses, subways and cabs is not the easiest way to transport drums, and the cabs these days are sub compact jokes, not full size Checkers and Grand Marquis! Most of the clubs are pretty small and intimate anyway, so need for big kits.There's a reason that the Gretsch Catalina's are such big sellers.

The Catalina's are very nice and very affordable drums. And in the real world when gigging with them you don't have to worry as much about scratches and dings, or leaving your kit at a venue compared to a 60 year old $4000 plus round badge kit.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 4 years ago
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LOL. My first set of drums (Tempro) cost my folks ~$200 in 1970....

I looked up an inflation calculator website and that $200 is now equivalent to over $1, 300

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1970?amount=200

So figure how much nicer a Gretsch Catalina Club is than were those old POS Tempros! You could almost buy TWO Catalina Clubs for the price of that old Tempro. So, yes, definitely, some things have gotten a LOT better in the drum world.

But new drums just aren't as cool! ;)

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Posted on 4 years ago
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From O-Lugs

LOL. My first set of drums (Tempro) cost my folks ~$200 in 1970....I looked up an inflation calculator website and that $200 is now equivalent to over $1, 300https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1970?amount=200So figure how much nicer a Gretsch Catalina Club is than were those old POS Tempros! You could almost buy TWO Catalina Clubs for the price of that old Tempro. So, yes, definitely, some things have gotten a LOT better in the drum world.But new drums just aren't as cool! ;)

Yes, a lot of entry level, or lower level kits are a great value today. As I've mentioned often, most hardware on modern entry level kits is superior to most of the hardware available on pro level kits in the '50s and '60s. Twenty years ago when he turned 10, I got my son Dan (Milestone) his first set of drums from my local Sam Ash store. It was an inexpensive Groove Percussion kit, but most of the hardware was at least as good, and some of it better, than the hardware I was gigging with in the '70s.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 4 years ago
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Glass City Swing Band couple summers ago 16x16 bass 8/12 14/14 all Round Badge Gretsch- for space reasons.

https://www.facebook.com/GlassCitySwingBand/videos/898140383604851/

https://www.facebook.com/GlassCitySwingBand/videos/893638400721716/

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 4 years ago
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Cool+sound+portability=BOP

Posted on 4 years ago
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From Multijd

Cool+sound+portability=BOP

Badassery right there ! I play mostly vintage 18" bass drum sets and love them .

And to the OP there was a time when BIG bass drum sets were all the rage and prices were higher on those . Everyone was hunting for 26" and even 28" bass drums . Not me but a lot of collectors/players were including some collector/player friends of mine were snapping them up as fast as they could . I never got it and they will never get the small bass drum sets that i own but that is cool . I leave those for other people and they leave these for me . As with everything there are cycles in what is in demand .

Warning ... Avoid member statuscymbal here, vintage_collector on DFO , and americanpatriot10 on eBay. Email me for his name. All are the same shady guy who has burned me and a list of other members on both boards . He is also selling on Facebook too ..
Posted on 4 years ago
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I wish the Gretsch Catalina sets were around when I was in high school (graduated in 1990). My school had a late 50's Slingerland bass and tom that looked like swiss cheese. It was missing the front hoop and claws and had been drilled for attachments many time over the years. The 8x12 had no bottom head, we used marching band cymbals and a marching snare for the snare. There was not a floor tom. The only other option was for me to bring my set and it was a huge pain because the room was always locked and waiting for the band director to get there would always make me late to first period. The Catalina would have been perfect back then.

I had a 70's jazzette up until a few years ago. Unfortunately no one is really playing jazz around here much so I sold them to help pay for the new heater at home. I do miss them though. they were fun!

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Posted on 4 years ago
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I play a lot of jazz gigs in small venues and have two small sets. For the really cramped performing areas I play a Sonor Safari set with 16"x16" Bass drum 10" tom and 14" floor tom. It is a extremely well built and sounding set. My go to Jazz set is a Gretsch Jazz Catalina. I have been so impressed with this set. It is also a beautiful looking set. I have also used it on R&B Soul Dance gigs. The bass drum mic'ed sounds great. I am actually pleased enough with this set I would not spend the money for a round badge bop set.

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Posted on 4 years ago
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From vibes

I play a lot of jazz gigs in small venues and have two small sets. For the really cramped performing areas I play a Sonor Safari set with 16"x16" Bass drum 10" tom and 14" floor tom. It is a extremely well built and sounding set. My go to Jazz set is a Gretsch Jazz Catalina. I have been so impressed with this set. It is also a beautiful looking set. I have also used it on R&B Soul Dance gigs. The bass drum mic'ed sounds great. I am actually pleased enough with this set I would not spend the money for a round badge bop set.

I think most round badge kits are purchased by collectors, although some people do gig with them. I certainly would never consider dragging a $4000 or $5000, close to mint condition, RB set to a gig where I would probably be the only person to appreciate it.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 4 years ago
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