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Bury a cymbal?

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From MastroSnare

The whole thing of burying cymbals does sound a bit wacked you gotta admit, but who knows.I would be interested in knowing what mics were used as overheads that resulted in the harsh sound. From my thinking, if they sounded great when you played them but sounded harsh when you listened to playback the problem is in the chain somewhere - room acoustics (is there glass in a drum booth that makes the sound harsh?), stick used or more commonly the mics themselves.My call is that the mics weren't right, plus headphones make drummers play like they're holding hammers, the same as people talk loud when they're wearing headphones.

Thank you...

The reasoning I gather from burying a cymbal would be to get it to sound like a cymbal that was never cleaned. You know, the greenish ones. Going for a mellower sound.

I should also mention that I hate marketing gimmicks like this. It seems most of the big companies has one gimmick a year that they try to convince us is the next great thing. The technology is there to make cymbals sound however wanted. Otherwise they'd only make one model.

Super B

Have I ever tried.. no.. nor will I... If I want a mellower cymbal, I'll find one or find a way to make the one I have work, whether its different technique, different sticks, etc. As stated before, I like clean cymbals.

If you want to do it, by all means, its your cymbal, do what you want with it. Personally, I'd try something else, like duct tape or moon gel among other things....

You seem hell bent on trying this, so good luck, I hope you get the results you want. I just don't think burying it with the dog crap is the solution...

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

This thread to me is ludicrous....its like when guitarists ask if slashing the speaker cones on their amp with a razor blade will make the amp sound better...........ummmmmm.......NO! :rolleyes:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]A lotta guys seem really peeved by this thread - and quite honestly l gotta say - stop being silly. The OP clearly stated that he is trying this more out of curiosity than anything else and just wanted some feedback from anyone who may have tried it themselves. lMHO- replies like "buy a different cymbal" are just plain unhelpful - besides missing his point entirely. Maybe it'd be different if what he was proposing would permanently alter the cymbal - but in this case it won't - so the slashing the amp speaker is completely off-point analogy. l think SuperB's cymbal is a good candidate for this experiment since it is almost brand new. Worst that can come of it is some wasted time - that's all. Fun is fun and that's all good, but folks- lay off of the ridicule, this forum isn't that sorta place - & accelerating patina is NOT that outlandish a subject - it comes up from time to time on other forums as well[/COLOR]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Super B

Where else can I ask this question? If anyone tried it, it would be here. Didn't Dave Davis slash his speaker in his amp for the guitar part in "You Really Got Me"?

It was Dave Davies, not Davis, and no he didn't. The amp was overdriven with an early Vox tone bender fuzz pedal. The slashed speaker cones was a myth.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="DarkRed"]A lotta guys seem really peeved by this thread - and quite honestly l gotta say - stop being silly. The OP clearly stated that he is trying this more out of curiosity than anything else and just wanted some feedback from anyone who may have tried it themselves. lMHO- replies like "buy a different cymbal" are just plain unhelpful - besides completely missing his point entirely. Maybe it'd be different if what he was proposing would permanently alter the cymbal - but in this case it won't - so the slashing the amp speaker is completely off-point analogy. l think SuperB's cymbal s a good candidate for this experiment since it is almost brand new. Worst that can come of it is some wasted time - that's all.[/COLOR]

Nobody peeved here. He asked for opinions and that's what he got.

Nothing but love... Kiss

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="DarkRed"]A lotta guys seem really peeved by this thread - and quite honestly l gotta say - stop being silly. The OP clearly stated that he is trying this more out of curiosity than anything else and just wanted some feedback from anyone who may have tried it themselves. lMHO- replies like "buy a different cymbal" are just plain unhelpful - besides completely missing his point entirely. Maybe it'd be different if what he was proposing would permanently alter the cymbal - but in this case it won't - so the slashing the amp speaker is completely off-point analogy. l think SuperB's cymbal s a good candidate for this experiment since it is almost brand new. Worst that can come of it is some wasted time - that's all.[/COLOR]

If he's trying to alter the sound of the cymbal that he has, its because its not the right sound for the application....in which case burying the cymbal to "age" it does nothing but make the cymbal tarnished and dirty. You want a different sound, buy a different cymbal, plain and simple. The slashed guitar amp speakers analogy was brought up to compare the two ludicrous myths. Any guitar player in his right mind would NOT destroy expensive speakers to get a distorted sound, and no drummer in his right mind would bury a cymbal in the back yard to "age" it. If you're gonna do that why not bury the $400 in the yard instead, as that basically what you are doing here.

As far as time wasted, I agree thats what this will be....time wasted waiting for the cymbal to "age", and time wasted to clean it after you have found ZERO sonic difference. Dirty or "aged" cymbals are just that, dirty. Clean cymbals and dirty ones sound the same to me, the only diffeerence is the dirty ones just look bad.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I've got an old Leedy kit that I'm restoring.....should I bury that in the yard to age it again and make it sound more mellow? Laughing H

Posted on 14 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Yes -Of course not flower[/COLOR][COLOR="Pink"]if snide remarks count as love[/COLOR]

From Ludwig-dude

I've got an old Leedy kit that I'm restoring.....should I bury that in the yard to age it again and make it sound more mellow? Laughing H

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]- as if another example of love was needed[/COLOR]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

....in which case burying the cymbal to "age" it does nothing but make the cymbal tarnished and dirty. .

[COLOR="DarkRed"] Aaaaah but the jury is still out on that - don't state your limited experience or hypothesizng as fact - as l said - anyone can go look at other forums where the subject has been discussed and reported well more than it is being here- or you can choose to continue the path the thread has been taking - lt's curious as to why folks are getting so opinionated & prickly over something which in the end wouldn't harm the cymbal at all if it doesn't produce the desired result

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Maybe we need to get the mythbusters in on this one....Laughing H

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

Maybe we need to get the mythbusters in on this one....Laughing H

This thread is making me feel like writing them!

I would like to thank Jaye for understanding where I'm coming from. I don't why this question has brought out the arrogant cranky responses, I was looking for real experiences, either good or bad. Where's the fun and adventure? It's kind of funny and sad at the same time. I just thought with this site, I would have seen posts on the actual experience (again, good,bad, or no difference) than, well, you can read the responses. Kooky.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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