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Thursday's dumb question of the day-Rogers

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Hi All!

Since this is my first Rogers kit with Swivo-Matic, here's the dumb question:

Do I have the bass drum tom mount in the right direction (tightening knob toward audience)? Is the "ball joint" in the proper position? I've also seen it reversed, where the longer side hex "L" rod is in the tom holder and the shorter side hex "L" rod is in the tom. Or is this a different version of the Swivo-Matic i'm seeing?

I've seen several pics with several directions/setup.

Thank you experts! God Bless!

I am sorry, for some reason it is not allowing me to upload any pics..can anyone understand this without pics and answer it?

Thanks again...

Posted on 5 years ago
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First, I'll assume you're talking about a single tom arm rather than a double tom mount. In the absence of pictures, it's a little difficult to guess which style Swivo tom arm is period correct for your drums. Swivo tom arms went through a variety of evolutions and styles....

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If your Rogers drums have Beavertail lugs, this is (more than likely) the tom arm which would be correct:

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Post some pictures!! Jumping2

Mike

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
Posted on 5 years ago
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AlloyBoy...here's my Swivo set up. Hope it's helpful.

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Posted on 5 years ago
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From mchair303

First, I'll assume you're talking about a single tom arm rather than a double tom mount. In the absence of pictures, it's a little difficult to guess which style Swivo tom arm is period correct for your drums. Swivo tom arms went through a variety of evolutions and styles....[Attachment: 125365] [Attachment: 125366] [Attachment: 125368]If you're Rogers drums have Beavertail lugs, this is (more than likely) the tom arm which would be correct:[Attachment: 125367]Post some pictures!! Jumping2Mike

Hi Mike

I have posted many pics on this forum over the years, for some reason, today it's not allowed..don't know why it keeps saying upload failure. They are all jpg. Nonetheless, my bass drum is a 14x22 Rogers 1975 transitional Londoner Five, script badge. The tom holder is the double, with the plate with holes to put dual tom holders in. On the BD tom holder, there is a hand nut to tighten the mount inside the holder on BD. Is that hand nut to face the audience, or away? The ones you show are single and have the collet. It's tough to explain without a pic.. thanks for your help tho!!

Posted on 5 years ago
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AlloyBoy...here's my Swivo set up. Hope it's helpful.

Thank you...

Posted on 5 years ago
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First, you should only be using 2 of the screws on the tension ball. This pushes the tom arm ball against the internal housing for maximum surface contact. Using more the side by side pair of screws means the ball is held in place by the small surface contact area of the ends of the screws. This will damage the ball. There are 4 holes so you cn place the 2 screws at a convenient location for tightening.

And using a single tom arm can also make use of a drill stop on the downward hex end to hold the weight at a certain height without having to over tighten the collet. The collet will only need to be tightened enough to stop the tom from twisting.

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Posted on 5 years ago
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Usually the adjustment side of a base plate would face the drummer on most brands but looking at a couple of catalog pictures it looks like Rogers did install (at least some of) them with the adjustment facing the audience side.

pictures have to be smaller than 1000x1000 pixels to post here. You may need to resize them. I usually make the largest dimension 999 pixels.

Posted on 5 years ago
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Amos guy failed to mention that the two screws to be used to secure the ball within the Swivo cup should be next to each other rather than 180 degrees apart from each other. Two adjacent screws will push the ball against the side wall as it should be. If the screws are 180 degrees apart, you can end up with the ball being held in place by only the screw tips.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 5 years ago
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From AlloyBoy

Hi All!Do I have the bass drum tom mount in the right direction (tightening knob toward audience)? Is the "ball joint" in the proper position? I've also seen it reversed, where the longer side hex "L" rod is in the tom holder and the shorter side hex "L" rod is in the tom. .

Short answer = yes.

The wing nut goes on the audience side and therefore the flat side of the T post also faces front.

The short arm (with the socket) goes in the T, while the longer arm (with the ball) goes in the tom.

As others have said, only 2 screws, not 4.

Posted on 5 years ago
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From leedybdp

Amos guy failed to mention that the two screws to be used to secure the ball within the Swivo cup should be next to each other rather than 180 degrees apart from each other. Two adjacent screws will push the ball against the side wall as it should be. If the screws are 180 degrees apart, you can end up with the ball being held in place by only the screw tips.

important point right here

the swivomatic ball and socket joint is designed to be held with two set screws in adjacent holes pushing the ball against the opposite side of the socket

there are 4 holes simply for the players option

if the set screws are across for each other you are actually working against the design and will most likely strip the ball out

Posted on 5 years ago
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