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Rack tom choke issue

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I just picked up a 68 ludwig club date kit it sounds great. But the 12" rack tom is choked so badly on snare stand or rail. What should I do to fix this? I've seen where others say a snare basket fixes it but mine didnt seem to make a difference. Is there a certain snare stand that will make this better? Or is there a ludwig mounting system that I can upgrade the kit with that will make it resonate more?

Thanks for any suggestions. It's really frustrating to have such great sounding drums be hindered by hardware.

Posted on 8 years ago
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Here's my full/long reply (http://vintagedrumforum.com/showpost.php?p=402140&postcount=15) to this thread 'Snare Stand For Toms' (http://vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=58078&highlight=tom+snared+stand) but I use an old Pearl single brace stand, some pieces of foam and a little 'end rubber' pinchweld. It's really cheap and works a charm, drum seems to resonate as well as it does when hold the drum up by rim or lug with a couple of fingers, no noticeable difference when the drum is on the stand.

Others have had success in different ways too, either sitting the drum on top of the basket claws (not 'in' them) or with store bought items like the 'Booty Shakers' or fancy snare stands that have 'iso mount' claws/baskets.

Posted on 8 years ago
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I had the same problem with my 12" Clubdate tom. Someone suggested inverting the 'L' bracket - Nope, didn't help. Someone suggested using a multi-mount attached to a cymbal stand - choke choke choke. I didn't try a snare or basket-type stand because they just don't put the tom where I want it to be. I admitted defeat and sold the set. What's the point of having beautiful, shiny drums if their sound just makes you depressed? May your journey be more satisfactory than mine!

Posted on 8 years ago
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Try some different configurations of the tom/multi mount by raising/lowering on the tube. I have also found the tom angle changes resonance. A flatter angle creates more resonance.

Posted on 8 years ago
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I have several sets that I use a snare stand for my up tom and never have a choking problem. I let the drum sit in the basket and I leave the top arm not touching the rim of the drum. Just enough so the drum won't tip out. Same with my snare drum, which sits pretty flat. I never tighten the basket where all three arms touch the drum. Just the bottom two. You can see in the pic how I let gravity hold the tom and the top arm just millimeters away from the rim.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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There are some "issues" that really amuse this old curmudgeon. This is one. I'll start by asking some questions. Is your "problem" causing a disruption of a recording session for a major label that has paid you a million dollar advance? Or, is the tom tom sound not up to your expectations for the gig you're playing at a club or a wedding reception? My intent for posting is not to trivialize something that you perceive as a real problem. Very simply put, the people sitting at a table in the club and the people on the dance floor at the wedding reception don't know how your rack tom sounds, nor do they care. If the tom sound is bothering a recording engineer, that engineer will "fix" it in the mix. Some people who obsess about this in countless previous threads have gotten in to real arguments over how to make their tom toms sound the way they think the drums should sound. Here's my suggestion.......Get some nylon fishing line. Loop the fishing line over a ceiling rafter. Firmly tie the fishing line to two tension rods just under the top hoop, and lower the drum to be suspended on the line to your preferred playing height. This way the tom will be free of any restriction that might choke its sound. On a serious note, you might think that the tom's sound is choked. If so, you will be the only one at the gig who has an opinion about the tom's sound, and nobody else will even have an opinion because they will not notice it. just play your drums, and enjoy playing.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 8 years ago
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Rims suspension mount or the equivalent is the only device that absolutely does not choke the shell or the bottom rim. I know that they are ugly especially with a beautiful vintage kit but it is a choice that has to be made....

Keep fixing them up...
Posted on 8 years ago
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From jmcohen

I had the same problem with my 12" Clubdate tom. Someone suggested inverting the 'L' bracket - Nope, didn't help. Someone suggested using a multi-mount attached to a cymbal stand - choke choke choke. I didn't try a snare or basket-type stand because they just don't put the tom where I want it to be. I admitted defeat and sold the set. What's the point of having beautiful, shiny drums if their sound just makes you depressed? May your journey be more satisfactory than mine!

jmcohen, just curious what you replaced your Club Dates with, & how the new drums sound........marko

Posted on 8 years ago
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I saw a basket somewhere (on this forum?) that was made for this problem. Not a snare stand but a tom basket that keep the tom suspended. Search around, you may find it. Best of luck.

-Doug

late 60s Ludwig Standard kit (blue strata)
late 60s Star kit (red satin)
Tama Rockstar Custom
a few snares ...
Posted on 8 years ago
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From Tblake93

I just picked up a 68 ludwig club date kit it sounds great. But the 12" rack tom is choked so badly on snare stand or rail. What should I do to fix this? I've seen where others say a snare basket fixes it but mine didnt seem to make a difference. Is there a certain snare stand that will make this better? Or is there a ludwig mounting system that I can upgrade the kit with that will make it resonate more? Thanks for any suggestions. It's really frustrating to have such great sounding drums be hindered by hardware.

Have you considered it might be the tuning or the heads? Or perhaps the bearing edges? Even if you are using the same heads and similar tuning to other drums you've owned, it doesn't mean every drum will give you the same results. What toms are you comparing it to?

Mark
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Posted on 8 years ago
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