P.S.S.,

I've never seen a wing screw like that one on the tilter in the third picture. That's gotta be a replacement from some alien spacecraft or something!Burger Kin

The metal T screws you speak of on the Atlas stands were on the first and second generation stands...aka the swivel foot tube leg era for second generation, and they were used on the clamp for the bottom tube only. The rest of the wing screws were the "mickey mouse ears" style.

No, thats factory ludwig all the way for the earliest of the 1400 stand tilters.

Seriously, I wouldn't worry TOO much about it. Unless you've got the REALLY early stands with the threads right in the castings and the VERY tiny wingnuts in the rounded tilters, (Like in [color=Blue]THIS[/color] picture) they're pretty much all the same. Mickey Mouse wingnuts from any era should fit and do nicely, and I DOUBT anyone will care.

I'm pretty sure I remember the T-Handles on the 1970's 1400 stands too. Ludwig was NOTORIOUS for using WHATEVER was at hand to ship the product OUT!!!

Well....when I'm searching ebay for one of these thats better than one I already own I always look for the correct screws and condition of the plating, etc. It I see metal T screws I pass, since I know the cost of getting them and finding them is a pain. I also pass on the later black plastic screw versions also, I just dont like the look.....I always attributed the large metal T screws to Slingerland or Camco, not Ludwig.

I have stands with both versions and, since I'm pretty sure that Ludwig did offer them for a minute, I actually prefer the T-style over the mouse eared ones. And yes, the Atlas stands do indeed have a "female" T-handle that tightens the tube. That's a different deal altogether that's only on the Atlas stands. However, I am referring to the other T-screws -like the ones pictured in this thread.

I would almost bet money that there was a Ludwig catalog or something once showing the hardware as having those particular T-screws. And soon after, they were replaced by the newer plastic ones (which sucked). My guess, is that Ludwig used them in the transition period between mouse ears and black plastic. I have seen too many of those stands with that type of T-screws to think they have all been replaced.

That might help explain why there was recently an eBay auction for 6 Ludwig and WFL snare stand baskets only - no flat bases, just the baskets. But where would you get only the top parts of the cymbal stands to go with the bases?

Scott

Very occasionally you'll see just the top sections of 1400's for sale on eBay, but seldom.

The reason there's tons of bases is because there's lots around from old snare stands, which are not that popular, while the cymbal stands are pretty coveted because they're lightweight and small for gigging.

I never like the Ludwig lightweight snare stand because of the tilt mechanism - it always seemed I wanted a position in between what was available. The Gretsch/Walberg & Auge one is my favorite... there's no tilt "teeth" so you can get any angle.

Plus they had a tendancy to bounce while playing....very annoying...LOL!

A tad bit off topic. But around how much would you say these are these worth?