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Looking for input on a 10 lug snare I.D.

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Hello drum folk

I am considering this 10 lug snare

and am stumped trying to figure what it is

Here is the problem

The throw and internal muffler knob look identical to the ones on the snare drums to both my Tempro and Coronet drum kits

which I understand to be early 70's Pearl made

To me the shell and lugs look like a Pearl made stuff also

Okay so I also have a few Majestic kits

It was always my understanding that Majestic drums are Star made

Did someone at some point put a random Majestic badge on a Pearl made drum?

I put the question to my seller ..he is not the original owner but thinks strongly that the badge is original to the drum

I am not totally sure, but to me, the grommet looks like a newer style

than what would normally be found with that badge

On the other hand the two Majestic snare drums I have are both wooden drums

the whole drum looks to be at least a few years newer vintage than does the badge

I like the drum and will most likely buy it no matter what

But I thought some of you other drum peeps may weigh in

I say "nice drum with a random "badge slap"

Posted on 9 years ago
#1
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Looks like it might be a rare MIJ snare in my honest opinion. You don't come across many that have an adjustable strainer. But after research I found this snare on this forum before. Maybe Majestic was made by Pearl not Tama?

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=32563&page=2

18 Kits & 40+ snares..
Not a Guru, just addicted to drums

- Jay
Posted on 9 years ago
#2
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Is it a 5"?

Looks Pearl like.

BLAEMIRE DRUMS
Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 9 years ago
#3
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I lean towards Pearl-made too.

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
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Posted on 9 years ago
#4
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That's a dead ringer for a 10 lug Coronet snare I just sold..

Strainer and all..

It's a heavy snare ..weighs about 10lbs...

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 9 years ago
#5
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It's a no-brainer = snag that puppy up fast if the price is right. I have that exact snare but I have considerable pitting. Then I have another, identical, with no badge.

They sound great, get very sensitive. Just great snares.

Despite Majestic Deluxe being a Star kit, I believe this was made by Pearl, for obvious reasons.

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 9 years ago
#6
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Thanks guys I bought the snare

But the questions as to origin still remain

I know later on in the stencil making

Star fell out and Pearl continued on

On wooden snares there was an obvious change in the badges

For example Stewart went from a metal badge while being made by Star

to a thin foil badge once Pearl took over

while it is true in my experience that I have never seen this metal old school badge on a Pearl made drum

I do not recall ever seeing the above mentioned foil badge on a chrome snare either

Please keep the input coming ..on this Thanks Kenwood

Posted on 9 years ago
#7
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Can't find it right now but this question/issue came up in another thread & Ralf got into the discussion. If I recall correctly he believed that Star made it & I disagreed.

I believe that the American retailer had legal right to use the badge on anything & separately outsourced the snare to Pearl & supplied them with the badges or specs/design/blueprints of the badge. Or the retailer could have installed all the badges at the store himself? Not sure how it all went down but I stand firm that Pearl made that snare.

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 9 years ago
#8
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John I agree with you whole heartedly

But yet we have two identical examples (yours and mine)

of an overlap between two distinct builders in the evolution of the Japanese stencil drums

I wish someone who may have been involved with the distribution

could tell us just where and when these badges get applied and by who

I know generally it was done by the musical instrument distributors

at the behest of the various retailers ..but beyond that is where I would like to be

I was thinking "badge slap" by a less knowledgeable previous owner

Viewing your drum shot that idea straight to hell

Posted on 9 years ago
#9
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Here are 2 Majestic snare drums from my collection. Each has the same badge and grommet. I'm not really sure about your badge and grommet, but the grommet doesn't look original. An inside view might be more revealing.

-Mark

Posted on 9 years ago
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