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How to Identify Conn Leedy timbales from Slingerland made Leedy Timbales

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Here is how you can Identify timbales made by Conn opposed to the Model of Leedy made by Slingerland.

Leedy By Conn music

1) Had tags identifying the brand Leedy

2) Steel claws

3) Steel Rims 3/4 inches tall x 1/4 thick

4) Lugs made of cast iron and nickle plated

5) Original stand only measured 3 feet in total a problem for tall people

6) Drum shells were 7'' tall and the ends were in a V shape and round off at ends.

7) Inner plates were made of steel 1'' wide by 7 and accommodated the inside of shell for support of lugs

8) 1952 inner plates were shortened by one inch when Leedy was Joined with Ludwig drums causing drums to bend at lug

Leedy by Slingerland

1) Had no markings of brand

2) claws were made of Brass

3) Rims were made of cast Iron and were 1 1/4 inches in height x 2/8 thick

4) Lugs cast iron and chromed they also added a bevel to their end of lugs

5) Original stand measured 4 1/2 feet tall to accommodate taller people

6) Drum shells were 6'' tall and the end were made in U shape and not rounded off ant the ends

7) Inner plates were made 1 inch wide but of a thinner gauge steel and 5 inches in height causing drums to bend at the lugs

8) Drum shells were only 6'' tall opposed to Leedy which were 7'' tall

The sound one from the other is a difference of night and day. The Slingerland models tend to ring a bit meantime the Conn models have a dryer sound to them. This is cased due to inner plates and the gauge of the brass used on the Slingerland models, which was a bit thicker. Yet they look very similar one from the other, but has major differences one from the other. This sound problem can be fixed by putting tape behind the inner plates to muffle the ring it produces and the use of Calf Heads.

The first models made of what would become the Leedy timbales were made a by a gentleman and drum maker by the Name of Charles Tappan. Which later the design would be lease out to Leedy drums. These drums were very similar to the Leedy by Conn Music in dimensions and had no tags other than a label that read Henry Adler, They Also came with Radio King Lugs the prime company of that era. In 1954 when the Leedy Brand was sold to Bud Slingerland the timbales were not part of the deal since they were not owned by Leedy drums. This the reason that the Leedy timbales were replicated in a similar fashion and not identical as the original is that patents were owned and still owned by Henry Adler and Charles Tappan estates

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks for the info Cuco-your timbale teachings are always welcome.Do you have both of these sets and if so, which set would be your favourite sound?

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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From Wayne Brown

Thanks for the info Cuco-your timbale teachings are always welcome.Do you have both of these sets and if so, which set would be your favourite sound?Wayne

Wayne Yes I have had both sets the Leedy By Conn is the best of the two. Slingerland rings too much.

Posted on 10 years ago
#3
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Cuco, what are your most favouite top three timbales of all time?If you had to sell all of your fantastic collection,what would be the last three you would hang onto and why?Look forward to your thoughts and info...

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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The 3 top timbales in my opinion having the the best quality sound of all times when equipped with proper skins are as follow.

1) Leedy or the Leedy & Ludwig

2) Rogers 59-67 the other model drums are good but stands diminish the drums

3) Latin Percussion Green or Gold label

Know today there are a few others that I have tested that could sound good but skins and modern construction kills their sound. Many people out there look at hand craft timbales such as JCR and other hand crafted timbales, these timbales are constructed out metals that are to thick and do not produce the proper sound and you must play them with 1/2 stick for them to produce a half decent sound, this also happens with many modern timbales. Also in recording studios the ring that new timbales produce due to metals used is very annoying to engineers that control boards, One reason the carry duck tape to muffle the sound. The 3 I mention with the proper skins in recording studios and in venues produces a sound like no other timbales and in the hand of a person that knows what he or she is doing sound is incredible.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks very much for your timbale knowledge Cuco and for outlining your top three picks.Mine are 1968 Rogers timbales with stand so i hope they fall into your Rogers 59-67 era for quality and sound.I`m not certain what you meant by"other model drums are good but stands diminish the drums"?Hope my 1968 stand is good with my timbales,ha.Also when you mentioned 1/2 stick were you referring to half inch in diameter and what size timbale sticks do you use?Thanks Cuco.

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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From Wayne Brown

Thanks very much for your timbale knowledge Cuco and for outlining your top three picks.Mine are 1968 Rogers timbales with stand so i hope they fall into your Rogers 59-67 era for quality and sound.I`m not certain what you meant by"other model drums are good but stands diminish the drums"?Hope my 1968 stand is good with my timbales,ha.Also when you mentioned 1/2 stick were you referring to half inch in diameter and what size timbale sticks do you use?Thanks Cuco.Wayne

I believe what you have is an Humberto morales model . Am I correct? If yes its a 1967 Model. Only year the Rogers Humberto Morales were made he got sick and died soon after. The 1968 models came with spring mounts that this did not hold drums up well and rogers also change to a square top of stand. These stand the first one would wobble all over later the change and put a cast iron tilt that cracked quite offended. Many of the new timbales being made many guys out there have to use 1/2 stick to produce a sound out of them, due to that the metal they are made is so thick that the sound produce is muffled a bit. I use 5/16 and 7/8 sticks all depending on what I am playing , one company that I find that makes a good stick is Vater. Here you have the two stands 1968 model and the 70's model after they change name to Big R making a mess out of the timbales. first photo is 1970's

Posted on 10 years ago
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Yes,mine are the Humberto Morales model.My original receipt says they were purchased on Oct. 31st,1968 and they are the spring loaded mount system type, but i`ve never had any problem with them holding up the timbales and the stand is very solid.My stand has a half-moon shape tilter as in your 2nd picture,so maybe my timbales were made in 1967 and sold to me in 68`? Stand still has three of the four original leather guards.Rogers really did mess up the stands with the Big R series in your 1st picture.Thanks for the stick sizes that you use and i`ll check out the Vater sticks too.Your thoughts...made in 67` or 68`? Many thanks.

Wayne

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1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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Those are 1967 models keep in mind Rogers had stock of these timbales for quite some time and it could have lasted through 1968. The first stand changes that roger made were not that bad, but need work to stabilize the drums the 70's stand was a nightmare. They cracked in the middle of the tilt part as they were being played many times,yet the drums were very good.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks for answering my questions Cuco and for your much valued information and time here,always appreciated.

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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