Drummerjohn...I found the snare drum and have inquired about shipping to Canada. Thx for the heads up,much appreciated!

Right on. If you want to go all the way with it, I recommend those CB700 cymbals. If they are undersized, they are made in Italy, before they were made in Taiwan (which are not good at all). All of the old Italian ones are the inkless ones. Any of the big inked CB700 arer Taiwanese. This one here on the GC site is an Italian one, and they pop up on ebay from time to time as well. They have that there look to them (that lathing - those bands), made by UFIP. I have an 18 in my mix of them that sounds amazing and actually mixes in with my paiste 404s very well. I MIGHT have some 15in HHs of those as well....but already committed to someone else. It would just be nice to have a backup on that, as that particular deal is not stable.

Then again - just found these - http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-CB700-14IN-HIHAT-SET-108787087-i3042715.gc

on these, confirm that they are undersized - but appear to be the Italian ones though.

John

Yep, I could not agree more... Early CB 700 stuff is not bad! I was very pleasantly surprised the first time I ran into those Italian (UFIP) cymbals branded CB 700. I don't know who sold them in this area, but they sure sold a pile of them thirty years ago. I run into them sort of frequently. Like Drummerjohn333 says, they just don't look like the crud stuff. Most, but not all have 'CB 700' stamped into the top of the cymbal, and the location is kind of anywhere. Many also have 'Made in Italy' stamped into the underside of the bell. When I say stamped, I don't mean inked. I always save these out when I find them. They're good for folks that want decent cymbals on a budget. I gave a set to my grandson as well... great quality starter stuff.

Hey fishwaltz,

What are those made of???? I have hed several over the years, and indeed still have some crashes/rides. I have one that is very clean and almost appears like the Paistes that I have. Then, I have some others that are all darkened with patina. I am wondering if I cleaned the patina ones up, will it change their sound?

I MAY be looking to unload some of these if I can not get the sound out of them I am looking for. I have one 18 (which is cleaned up) that sounds amazing - I play it in my Paiste line up. Then the others sound completely different and are all darkened (patina). Now, I know these cymbals when I see them and indeed they are all the same composition and manufacturing.

I have never been happy with the HHs. I have had 2 pairs, and one is staged to be sold soon (pending).

Again - my question is - what are these (B8s or B20s) and what do I therefore clean them up with? BKF, Paiste cleaner, Zildjian cream (which I have had success with on a pair of the HHs that were indeed brilliant finished. ) Does that mean I must use the Zildjian cream on all these?

John

Sorry to jump in here uninvited _ but pleased don't clean those Italian cymbals. It does alter their mellowed vintage sound _ deep cleaning will make them sound ping-ier and brighter.

You can put me on the list to unload to. x-mas3

If they have the telltale stretched looking rotocasting marks _ then I believe they would be B20 _ as I think that is was the whole purpose of rotocasting _ B20 is rotocast because it is harder to shape and work than. cymbal bronze with lesser tin content in the mix which can be shaped and stamped out in a huge press.

If you are intent on cleaning them {and they are your cymbals after all}.

I've gotten rid of very top surface krud like tape residue and general grime with WD40 _ it cleans the krud off without ruining the uderlying patina. I wouldn't do that with an ink stamped cymbal though.

I've used pasta sauce on the undersides of a couple small pies too, takes off the band of nasty black finger print rings _ just don't leave it on too long.

No clue, John. Was UFIP even making a B8 in the late '70's? I'm certainly no expert on B8's. Most of my cymbals were purchased long before the inking stuff - and I'm a total cymbal heathen... I clean mine with Brasso. So, the few I had that had an ink stamp is long gone. I normally just shine the cymbals I sell up a bit with diluted ammonia and a tad bit of elbow grease (a very bit of a tad). The set of CB 700 cymbals I gave my grandson (20, 16, 2X 14) I used Brasso. They came out looking like a cross between an AA and an older A Zildjian. I didn't notice a ton of difference in tone... they all just got a bit brighter, as normal.

Ohm51 -

These I speak of are the same as this ride

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-CB700-Made-in-Italy-20-inch-Medium-Ride-Cymbal-2070-Grams-/221168129082?pt=Vintgae_Drums_Percussion&hash=item337ea5d43a

- just covered in patina and I am not pleased with the tone and the dryness/lack of wash. The 2 I am not pleased with are a 16 and 18. They are actually labelled (in ink - VERY faintly) Crash/Ride. That explains some of it....but then.....perhaps a sale is in order.

John

These are actually produced with a wood finish as opposed to wrap.

Very uncommon to find them, but a nice resto if you grab 'em.

Holy Crow! that is a great deal. Those are not your standard CB700s. Those cymbals are worth 100 alone, and worth more like 200 if those HHs are As. As was advised - run, don't walk. I certainly hope the OP snagged these up! "Tamco" pedal?

John

Awhile back I sent a picture of some of those Italian CB-700 cymbals to the folks at UFIP. I did it mainly because the owner described them to me as sounding kind of like Ludwig Standards, which is a description I would never use for ANYTHING made by UFIP. You know, those with the big lathe marks about an inch to 1-1/2 apart. Alberto Biasei wrote back and said they definitely were NOT made by UFIP. Yeah, I know Wikipedia says so, but the people at UFIP say NO, they were never a part of their production.

I have heard rumor that they were Tosco made. That's a hard one to trace since they are no longer in business. Robert Zildjian might be of assistance, since Sabian bought them out.