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1950 WFL Buddy Rich Super Classic

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From jaghog

does someone like wmp wow

I do I do!!!

Great set Tommy!!!! We'd all expect nothing less. Now that we've seen the Rogers and the WFL's, can there be maybe a Slingerland 80N set in the works that you're hiding??

As a fellow Buddy nut, whacko,........we'd say an aficionado, that's a little more refined Cool Dude, have you in your sets or gigs used a 22" swish knocker that Buddy added in the 80's?

And sound wise I know the Rogers are your number one set but how do the WFL's stack up, do they give the Rogers' a run for their money?

Keep 'em coming Tommy

BGT

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1972 Slingerland WMP 80N
1959 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
1965 Slingerland Artist Snare
1968 Slingerland Artist Snare
1972 Slingerland Sound King COB
1963 Slingerland WMP Student Radio King
Posted on 11 years ago
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I think my heart just skipped a beat. What a beautiful kit!

“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.” - Charles Darwin
Posted on 11 years ago
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i bet those stands were just as hard to find as the drums!

lovely!

Bowing

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From billygoodtime

I do I do!!!Great set Tommy!!!! We'd all expect nothing less. Now that we've seen the Rogers and the WFL's, can there be maybe a Slingerland 80N set in the works that you're hiding??As a fellow Buddy nut, whacko,........we'd say an aficionado, that's a little more refined Cool Dude, have you in your sets or gigs used a 22" swish knocker that Buddy added in the 80's?And sound wise I know the Rogers are your number one set but how do the WFL's stack up, do they give the Rogers' a run for their money?Keep 'em coming TommyBGT

BGT!... THANKS! ... glad you enjoyed. I have had these for quite a while, but don't post them up all that often, so in that regard... they're fresh! You know, I have had my chances on aquiring a Slingerland 80N in WMP more than a few times, but was never totally happy with the "deal" or certain aspects of the set in question. You never know though. I will say that Buddy is inarguably associated with Slingerland the most by the masses, so a Rogers BR Celebrity or even a 50's era WFL/Ludwig BR Super Classic tend to be a little more difficult to find. This in no way takes away from NICE Slingerland 80N's such as yours. It helps augment them and keeps Buddy visible!

Regarding a 22" A Zildjian Swish Knocker: You know, I never have included that cymbal into any of my BR set-ups, as he wasn't using that cymbal while with WFL or Rogers. And again, that's just my take on it as I try to be period correct on the sets. Personally I LOVE that cymbal though! Now... if I had an early 80's era Ludwig Buddy Rich w/modular hardware, I would indeed have the Swish in place! Yours looks KILLER... and I bet it sounds that way too!

WFL vs. Rogers: This is a very good question! Having played both the WFL and Rogers extensively, I can honestly say that the Rogers at 5 plies of maple w/rings "speak" so much more clearly than the 3 ply w/rings WFL's. Doesn't mean the WFL's aren't nice... not at all! It's just that the Rogers are more articulate and a little less "thuddy" if you will. This can easily be heard by A/B-ing recordings of BR from the 50's against recordings from say 1966 when he was at the HEIGHT of playing Rogers. Buddy is Buddy of course!.. ( always freaking incredible ) .. but the difference in the "tone" of those two sets is amazing. Rogers had a reputation for being more of a jazz drum than Ludwig, which was really known for being more Rock and Roll.. ( and especially so after February 1964! ) .. and I attribute a lot of THAT to the shell design/make-up. BTW, this doesn't mean that either drum company couldn't cover any style of music, as they both did!, just that the Rogers drums are "clearer" in tone, and I think 5 plies of maple w/rings vs. 3 plies of mahogany/poplar/mahogany w/rings will do that. THANKS for the kind words!

james: THANKS!, and glad you liked!

LudwigLover: Yes indeed! The set originally came with BOTH "L" arms, hoop mounted spurs, and the rail consolette... but there were NO 50's era flat base cymbal stands or HH stand. I originally played the set with two #1400 mid 60's flat base cymbal stands, and had my eye out for two #1399 WFL Adjustable-height floor stands. Those still haven't showed.. ( nor do I think they will either... RARE! ) .. but I did find two #1400 mid 50's era flat base cymbal stands.. ( rare in their own right! ) .. and freaked when I saw them. Needless to say I grabbed 'em! The #1121 flat base HH stand was eventually located and added to the set making it complete! Good eye!

Tommyp

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Tommyp

BGT!... THANKS! ... glad you enjoyed. I have had these for quite a while, but don't post them up all that often, so in that regard... they're fresh! You know, I have had my chances on aquiring a Slingerland 80N in WMP more than a few times, but was never totally happy with the "deal" or certain aspects of the set in question. You never know though. I will say that Buddy is inarguably associated with Slingerland the most by the masses, so a Rogers BR Celebrity or even a 50's era WFL/Ludwig BR Super Classic tend to be a little more difficult to find. This in no way takes away from NICE Slingerland 80N's such as yours. It helps augment them and keeps Buddy visible!Regarding a 22" A Zildjian Swish Knocker: You know, I never have included that cymbal into any of my BR set-ups, as he wasn't using that cymbal while with WFL or Rogers. And again, that's just my take on it as I try to be period correct on the sets. Personally I LOVE that cymbal though! Now... if I had an early 80's era Ludwig Buddy Rich w/modular hardware, I would indeed have the Swish in place! Yours looks KILLER... and I bet it sounds that way too!WFL vs. Rogers: This is a very good question! Having played both the WFL and Rogers extensively, I can honestly say that the Rogers at 5 plies of maple w/rings "speak" so much more clearly than the 3 ply w/rings WFL's. Doesn't mean the WFL's aren't nice... not at all! It's just that the Rogers are more articulate and a little less "thuddy" if you will. This can easily be heard by A/B-ing recordings of BR from the 50's against recordings from say 1966 when he was at the HEIGHT of playing Rogers. Buddy is Buddy of course!.. ( always freaking incredible ) .. but the difference in the "tone" of those two sets is amazing. Rogers had a reputation for being more of a jazz drum than Ludwig, which was really known for being more Rock and Roll.. ( and especially so after February 1964! ) .. and I attribute a lot of THAT to the shell design/make-up. BTW, this doesn't mean that either drum company couldn't cover any style of music, as they both did!, just that the Rogers drums are "clearer" in tone, and I think 5 plies of maple w/rings vs. 3 plies of mahogany/poplar/mahogany w/rings will do that. THANKS for the kind words!james: THANKS!, and glad you liked!LudwigLover: Yes indeed! The set originally came with BOTH "L" arms, hoop mounted spurs, and the rail consolette... but there were NO 50's era flat base cymbal stands or HH stand. I originally played the set with two #1400 mid 60's flat base cymbal stands, and had my eye out for two #1399 WFL Adjustable-height floor stands. Those still haven't showed.. ( nor do I think they will either... RARE! ) .. but I did find two #1400 mid 50's era flat base cymbal stands.. ( rare in their own right! ) .. and freaked when I saw them. Needless to say I grabbed 'em! The #1121 flat base HH stand was eventually located and added to the set making it complete! Good eye!Tommyp

That is right about the sound, albeit personal preferance the Rogers for my mind of the Live At The Chez and Swingin' New Big Band were, again, a humble opinion, were his best sounding kit overall. Top to bottom that set just sounded dynamicly perfect on those recordings top to bottom.

Again personal opinion here, the Ludwigs from the 80's never really seem to do it......., if you know what I mean?

I thought that the Radio Kings that Joe McSweeny gave to Buddy after the Ludwigs, had a great full body sound but I can't get that Rogers sound out of my head......they're close and great, but for different reasons.

And of course Buddy's afinity for snares and his never ending quest for the "best" influenced some of the sounds of his sets over the years as you're well aware, and sometimes the "snare sound" of a particular era or set(s) kind of clouded the judgement of some people as to what was his best sounding set in their mind.

That Fibes was a killer!!

Great suggestion about A/B'ing different recordings.

Yeah the swish does sound nice, thanks, and adds that other dimension for the BIGGER sound so to speak.

BGT

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1972 Slingerland WMP 80N
1959 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
1965 Slingerland Artist Snare
1968 Slingerland Artist Snare
1972 Slingerland Sound King COB
1963 Slingerland WMP Student Radio King
Posted on 11 years ago
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You've got a Vox set as well, yes? How about some pics of that. How does it compare to some of your other kits?

Best.

Stephen

Vintage Drum Student
Posted on 11 years ago
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From relayer

You've got a Vox set as well, yes? How about some pics of that. How does it compare to some of your other kits?Best.Stephen

Stephen!

Actually, no... I don't have a complete Trixon/Vox BR set, but I DO have BOTH 1967 snare drums that Buddy played while with Trixon/Vox. Of interest: There aren't all that many Trixon/Vox BR sets out there as they didn't sell all that many back in the day. Buddy was only with Trixon/Vox for about 6 months in 1967... and then split ... for Fibes!... and then split again... for Slingerland!.. which is where he stayed for approx. 8 years. Anyway...

He mostly played the 1967 Trixon 1/440 Standard/BR in WMP which is a 6 ply no rings birch shell... and sometimes the shell could be beech too. Mine is birch. This drum features fully extended snares and a parallel throw. These drums are hard to find COMPLETE today as many are either missing parts, or broken. Trixon used a copious amount of PLASTIC during the mid/late 60's, and it tends to almost always be cracked and/or missing. I had to restore this one, but was able to find all the correct parts! The drum actually plays/sounds very nice!, although... owing to the 6 plies and no rings birch shell, it does have to be tensioned UP higher than one would think to get any articulation due in part to the basic fundamental note of the shell. Still... nice!

The 2nd drum shown is one that was designed specifically for Buddy while with Trixon. This one is a 1967 Trixon Buddy Rich Metal Shell snare drum and again features fully extended snares, but in this case with the "Simple Snare Mechanisim" as Trixon called it. This just relaxed/dropped the wires lightly rather than a full disengagement. It works really well! This is a hard drum to find in this condition. This one is pretty much MINT! Whenever you do see one of these, they are again... missing parts or pretty well trashed. This particular drum plays/sound FANTASTIC! I'm not sure why as it is just a COS snare drum. Maybe it's the steel they had back in 1967? I don't really know... but I'd like to gig it! Interestingly...

... in my extensive collection of "all things Buddy"... I have a COLOR picture of BR playing the 1967 Trixon Buddy Rich Metal Shell snare drum WITH his Rogers BR Celebrity set! RARE. I don't think I have ever seen it in print. ENJOY!!

Tommyp

Posted on 11 years ago
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Wow 32 snares!!! You must have been collecting a long time. Mind Blowi

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks for the explanation about the Trixon/Vox snares and the neat pics. Those wires look very cool. I'm working on a deal for an older metric Trixon snare, so the drums are of interest to me. They must've sounded pretty good to meet Buddy's standards; at least for a little while.

Best.

Stephen

Vintage Drum Student
Posted on 11 years ago
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Great looking set Tommy! I'm glad it's in such a great place.

"wfl does not stand for world football league!"
Posted on 11 years ago
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