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"elton" cymbal mystery???? pls help

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hey,

yeah, ufip has been suggested, it was the 1st theory pro ported....

it has a stamp that matches the other elton stuff. it was a perfect match for other stamped banjo parts, as well as on pages in old catalogs, so it makers one wonder.

although your theory makes good sense. and, i agree it does take a considerable amount of craftsmanship and equipment to make cymbals. which elton probably didn't have of their own.

so they may very well have had them made for them buy an already established company.

why would they ever even want to sell cymbals though?

i mean it's got nothing to with banjo's. seems a stretch.

i'm not saying it didn't happen, it's just odd.

if there is a way to contact to the elton company, perhaps they themselves cane shed some light on this mystery.

like who actually made them for them. i'm not versed on ufip's, however i do know that paiste made cymbals for outside companies, who in tern put their own logo's on them, and called their own.

the center hole the really small size, making it pretty old, 50's i'd guess or maybe older.

also, it's sound is so complex and dark, that i would not call it a mid level cymbal. this is a high quality cymbal without doubt. it's sound speaks for itself. no mid range cymbal i've ever heard sounds anywhere near as good.

only the hi end cymbals can produce such tones and a range of complex tones. it is a real sleeper.

i can't ever remember where i got it. it was probably a garage sale, i used to do a lot of that. and the treasures i found where outstanding.

like a speedking, never used, oem wrapper, and tape still around the beater ball, for the low cost of $5.00. and it was complete.

found an old 1958 slingy snare, it needed a couple claw hooks, in mint condition, as it was stored in an attic, in it's original soft case for ever, for $20.00. you can see it on my site in the forum.

you know those great treasure stories. it's so worth the search when you get those kind of things.

at any rate, i appreciate you taking the time to pass on this info. definitely good food for thought.

i kindly thank you...

have a good one.

hopefully i can unravel this mystery and get something solid in the way of it's history.

i love to know about the gear i have. it's part of my drumming passion.

peace bro

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I think it was drumaholic who had a sheet of various different stencil brands that UFIP used to make. I can't recall whether Elton was on it...

But, yes, a lot of companies, even some major names, would farm out certain hardware and such to be produced for them, including their logo.

You may have found a decent Elton, there, dp ! I don't recall, but maybe those Eltons were cast from B20 alloy, making them upper quality. But, remember - not all quality-made cymbals are good. Even among the old K. Zildjians, there were a lot of dogs that came through with the grails.

The Eltons I recall weren't impressive. At least not back in the day. But likely you got lucky and got hold of a decent one, d - like with that Speedking and that old Slingerland snare... Some folks just happen to be at the right places at the right times. Not something I've had much good fortune with, though.

Trying to trace down remnants of the old Elton Banjo Company might be easy, or it might be a needle in a haystack. Don't forget, Slingerland was originally a banjo company, too, before they got into making drums...

Happy hunting, and best of luck, d !

Dig it !

Posted on 15 years ago
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right on, thanks a lot my friend....

happy holidays

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Posted on 15 years ago
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From dpdrums

right on, thanks a lot my friend....happy holidays

Right back at ya, man !

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hey, I have a 12" pair of hi hats with the Elton oval mark on them. They came with an old Ludwig drum set stamped 1958. This pair are kind of wavy. But I'm older and kind of wavy too...........

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Donny B

Hey, I have a 12" pair of hi hats with the Elton oval mark on them. They came with an old Ludwig drum set stamped 1958. This pair are kind of wavy. But I'm older and kind of wavy too...........

Lol !

How do those Elton hats sound...? I'm guessing they're thick and a bit gongy, but probably give a really nic foot chick.

The wavy lathing patterns you mention are even more indication they were made by UFIP. '58 would be around the time when UFIP was very busy with stencil brands, too.

Thanx for pipin' in, Don !

Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Eh.....I dunno about that. I have acquired a few Eltons in my day....I am not even sure they are bronze...the ones I have seen are quite suspect in the alloy category.

If they are wavy...my guess is they are the opposite of heavy...quite thin, yes ?

I think they were just a domestic made low-end brand which was a stock cymbal with old kits...but what mfr. of kits, I dunno. The ones I have seen do not resemble the lathing or hammering patterns similar to old Italian cymbals of that time. I have yet to see a good-quality one.

Giving them a UFIP or vintage Italian attribution is very...specious....to say the least.

Ajaha, Stanople, Bellotti, etc....those were old Italian-made cymbals from the '30's-60's...but Eltons look/sound nothing like those at all.

But they are old, probably '50's or older.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I checked but I can't find it on the UFIP stencil brand Rosetta Stone:

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/constantinople/ufipstencil%203.jpg[/img]

Posted on 15 years ago
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I know nothing about cymbals or cymbal companies... but Avedis Zildjian was making some pretty decent cymbals just four hours up the road from Elton Musical Products.... so if I was Elton's products manager I would have sent a truck up there once a week to grab a load of blanks and stamp my name on them.... seems like a logical business arrangement to me.. :)

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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From Drumaholic

...I checked but I can't find it on the UFIP stencil brand Rosetta Stone...

Thanks for sharing that sheet, Bill -- what a great view of past history there !

I don't see the old Stanople logo on there, though - maybe because they were earlier...

What's the approximate date range of that sheet of logos...? 50's - '70s...?

Might be, too, if those Eltons were made earlier than the brands shown on that sheet. My $.02

Posted on 15 years ago
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