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Posted on 15 years ago
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The market is a little fickle right now.. unless you can find a sucker like me who has trouble walking past a set of old drums...

Well OK then.. I do love RED SPARKLE!

All of the following is offered as a GUESS... others here can definately give you better estimates and details on the drums.

I came up with $1,055 for everything in the picture (Drum related...);) I don't think you would get that in the market today. :(

I think (not positive) the snare is special..:)

That snare drum looks like a Chrome Over Brass (COB) Radio King, the drum was produced between 1963 and 1967... Interesting.. The Slingerland Book, (Rob Cook, p.190) says the lines were added around the shell in 1965.

I believe that kit is the famous "Krupa Deluxe Ensemble 1-N" in beautiful red sparkle. With Slingerland throne and Ludwig Speed King pedal and Ludwig hi hat stand.

The 22" bass drum.. (missing the front hoop, claws and "torpedo" tension rods) should bring around $225.. give or take $25.

The small 13" mounted tom $75..$90

The 16" floor tom with nice complete push button legs.. thats tough.. but you should be able to get $200 for that.

Now the COB Radio King is a mystery to me.. nice COB Sound Kings can bring $200+.. so I'm thinking a COB Radio King should bring $400 (purely a guess, I hope low).

$65 for the Slingerland Throne.

$25 for the Speed King pedal.

$50 for Ludwig Hi-Hat stand. (Amended Ringo model 1123 stand... say $100.. last one sold on ebay went for 56.01 but it was the earlier 1121 model.)

Need more details on the cymbals.. to add them in.. any names or markings on them??

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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I would agree with Jim and say right around the $1000.00 mark is an accurate valuation in the current market for such a set. I love red sparkle, too! Slingerland drums are nice drums, but not always as quick to sell as Ludwig, Rogers or Gretsch.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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The market is a little fickle right now.. unless you can find a sucker like me who has trouble walking past a set of old drums...Well OK then.. I do love RED SPARKLE! All of the following is offered as a GUESS... others here can definately give you better estimates and details on the drums.I came up with $1,055 for everything in the picture (Drum related...);) I don't think you would get that in the market today. :(I think (not positive) the snare is special..:) That snare drum looks like a Chrome Over Brass (COB) Radio King, the drum was produced between 1963 and 1967... Interesting.. The Slingerland Book, (Rob Cook, p.190) says the lines were added around the shell in 1965.I believe that kit is the famous "Krupa Deluxe Ensemble 1-N" in beautiful red sparkle. With Slingerland throne and Ludwig Speed King pedal and Ludwig hi hat stand.The 22" bass drum.. (missing the front hoop, claws and "torpedo" tension rods) should bring around $225.. give or take $25.The small 13" mounted tom $75..$90The 16" floor tom with nice complete push button legs.. thats tough.. but you should be able to get $200 for that.Now the COB Radio King is a mystery to me.. nice COB Sound Kings can bring $200+.. so I'm thinking a COB Radio King should bring $400 (purely a guess, I hope low).$65 for the Slingerland Throne.$25 for the Speed King pedal.$50 for Ludwig Hi-Hat stand.Need more details on the cymbals.. to add them in.. any names or markings on them??

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the Ringo model Hi-Hat stand? If it is, it's worth WAY more than Fifty Bucks!! Ringo fanatics pay top dollar for 'em so I'm told.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I could be wrong but I think the model 1121 was the "Ringo" model and had an oval heal plate like the Speed King pedals instead of hinged square plate... I think the one in the photo is the 1123 direct pull.

However it is definately the style and well worth clearly identifying!!Clapping Happy2

OK then the answer is both were used by Ringo!!

http://www.ringosbeatlekits.com/1st__2nd_ludwig_kits__hardware

1ST LUDWIG KIT HARDWARE:

1) Speed King bass drum pedal (Model 201)

2) Flat base cymbal stand (Model 1400) [1] A Premier Lockfast stand was also used

3) Flat base snare drum stand (Model 1363)

4) Flat base hi-hat stand (Model 1121)

5) Bass drum anchor (Model 1304) Walberg & Auge

Note: Photo evidence indicates that only one Ludwig model 1400 cymbal stand may have been purchased with the first Ludwig kit. You can see Premier Lockfast cymbal stands also being used.

2ND LUDWIG KIT HARDWARE:

1) Speed King bass drum pedal (Model 201)

2) Flat base cymbal stand (Model 1400) A Premier Lockfast cymbal stand was sometimes used in place of a Ludwig model 1400

3) Flat base snare drum stand (Model 1363)

4) Spurlock Direct-Pull hi-hat stand (Model 1123)

5) Bass drum anchor (Model 1304) Walberg & Auge

6) Buck Roger's snare stand (Model1358)

DRUM KIT SHELL SIZES FOR BOTH KITS

5.5"X14" snare (Ringo used both calfskin and mylar batter side heads)

8"x12" tom

14"x14" floor tom

14"x20" bass drum

Ringo's Ludwig Downbeat kits have many drum shell hardware details in common.

The 8" x 12" tom and the 14" x 14" floor tom both use a P-4067 "Baseball Bat" tonel control with red felt.

The P-1672 mounting bracket features a wing bolt that screws into the casing. This bracket was used as follows:

To secure the three legs on the 14" x 14" floor tom,

As a cymbal mounting bracket on the bass drum

As mounting brackets for the bass drums spurs

Though both drum kits incorporated this bracket as a tom mount when new, the second kit and possibly the first were retro-fitted with a Rogers Swiv-o-matic tom mount.

The bass drum spurs and floor tom legs also used a knurled texture surface in the area where they inserted into the mounting brackets.

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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No offense my fellow brethren, but I doubt if that kit would sell for $1000.00, it may be worth that individually, but the market for kits and buying is down, very down. I think that estimate for insurance maybe right, but if it gets more than 600- 700 resale, I'd be pleasantly surprised. What little that I can see in the picture as far as cymbals go, they look nicked on the edges.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I think to get top dollar for that set, it would have to have some of the missing parts replaced and the set should be cleaned up.

I'd be happy to buy that set now for $6-700....

Posted on 15 years ago
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Yes, you guys are probably correct about the valuation. I guess the market IS way down! :(

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Posted on 15 years ago
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All of the following is offered as a GUESS... others here can definately give you better estimates and details on the drums.I came up with $1,055 for everything in the picture (Drum related...) I don't think you would get that in the market today.

I did my best to qualify and itemize in that guesstimate...

Tammy the sad shame is that typically the most money can be had by breaking up the set and selling off the pieces..

Or.. maybe work out a commission deal with a drum shop.. Vintage Red Sparkle is in your favor.

Best of luck.

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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From O-Lugs

Yes, you guys are probably correct about the valuation. I guess the market IS way down! :(

I think the value of vintage drums is holding up much better than stocks are.

Clean, original sets are still selling well. I get outbid on everything I bid on, and recent sales have exceeded expectations...

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