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U.S. Mercury or Star

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A buddy of mine has a U.S. Mercury snare drum, that is made in Japan. He is wondering if its worth anything or worth the time to clean it up a little.

Also, he has a Star floor tom, I'm not sure its worth anything either, but thought I would put up a post and ask all the experts...and the rest, haha kidding!

Thanks,

Kevin

1961 Ludwig Super Classic 22,13,16,18, WFL BR Snare WMP
1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

...& many more...
Posted on 16 years ago
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Nope, usually considered firewood..

It really depends on the finish also and if it is 6 or 8 lugs.

$50 - $85 for the snare

and $25 - $75 for the floor tom.

It never hurst to clean it up though and that is usually free labor!

David

Posted on 16 years ago
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he informed me that both drums are champagne sparkle or gold glitter. the snare is 6-lug. the floor tom is 8-lug.

I tried to tell him firewood, haha. I thought the aged wood, would have a wonderful rich aroma! I can see Yankee Candle coming out with a new 'drum' scented candle real soon!

-Kevin

1961 Ludwig Super Classic 22,13,16,18, WFL BR Snare WMP
1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

...& many more...
Posted on 16 years ago
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...just to add...

There is actually a group of collectors for Japanese stencil drums. Most are really bad quality...but some are of acceptable quality... the drums, I mean...not the collectors... ;)...and, in the case of some vintage Yamaha maple kits, comparable-to-American kits of the same era quality.

However, as stated, most of these kits are made from luan wood...very soft and splinter-y wood that isn't stable and often deforms over time -very reactive to climate changes -as are most soft woods.

But, there are people who collect them...In some caes, the finishes were really cool. The "Tiger's Eye" wrap is quite fetching, if you ask me! ;) But champagne or gold sparkle probably isn't at the top of the list for collectors.

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Posted on 16 years ago
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I've got a U.S. Mercury that a friend of mine picked up for me, thinking that it was, in fact, a "U.S." made drum. Mine's in WMP.

I couldn't get $25 for the thing so it sits as a "display item" in my music room. For some bizarre reason, the one I've got actually has die-cast rims and lugs that resemble the old Rogers bread & butters. The thing actually looks pretty decent with my Rogers WMP B&B kit.

Posted on 16 years ago
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Here's the truth on these types of drums: some of them are 45-50 years old with chrome that can still be cleaned and shined, shells that are still round with actual bearing edges and snare beds with a nice, mellow sound to them when fitted with good (Remo Emperor or better) heads. They've lasted this long and people are starting to collect them (yeah, me too) because they are the brands and types they learned on way back in the '60s as these drum sets were affordable for the average kid in 1965 whereas the Ludwigs and Slingerlands were out of reach. The Luan shells have not only kept integrity but sound better 40 some years later. Did they age well or did I get better at tuning an old drum? I have a 7 piece 1977 Ludwig Chrome over maple kit that sounds and looks amazing after enduring 25+ years of club dates, festivals, outdoor shows and countless garage practices. But I am tired of lugging this heavyweight around anymore and I am always so concerned about it's safety. So I aquired some '60s stencil drums in mint condition. Light to carry, ringing sound, cool vintage sparkle wrap and I feel like I'm 15 again playing my Majestics!

Posted on 14 years ago
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and another thing...I don't have to hit my Luan shell DrumMate snare nearly as hard as I have to hit my Ludwig Supraphonic to cut through the noise. It's only a little 6 lug that I found in the trash, but it pops and other drummers always ask me about it and comment that it sounds great. Some models or badge names had re-enforcing rings at the bearing edges and the middle. They came in 6, 8 and 10 lug. Some '60s stencil snares had extra snare tension adjustments on the butt side other than the fine control knob on the throw off. Anyway, Luan makes lousy firewood. It burns too quickly and doesn't put out much heat. Don't torch 'em, send 'em to me!

Posted on 14 years ago
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You speak the truth, vintagedrummer53. I've got a 12/14/20 gold sparkle US Mercury that I found for $300, a little beat up but with all original parts, and intact. It's one of my favorite kits I've ever owned, I can't get over how good it sounds. If you put the right heads on it and can tune it up, they really channel that dry, warm vintage studio tone that many people try to capture.

Posted on 12 years ago
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The Problem I always had with the three or four MIJ sets that I had was that they would not stay in tune At a gig they would start to sound crappy after like 15 minutes. I had to give up!!

Posted on 12 years ago
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Retrosonic: that really shouldn't be a prob at all for you.

Tama is offering 'Hold Tight Washers' (I'm using these ones),

Sonor: 'Super Lock Tune Safe Set' or

the wellknown plastic washers (= the cheapest solution) often service as well.

I guess that the other major drum companies have similar products to offer as well.

So, if you replace the original metal washers below your tension screws with one of these products, you won't experience that effect any more.

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 12 years ago
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