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Help With These Zildjians and Model Etc.

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Right on,right on, Bro!

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
#161
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Maybe we should transfer this discussion to the Pearl Drum Forum?

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
#162
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Wait wait....because I am interested in cleaning my drums, polishing, waxing them, putting new heads on I get a bad rep already? I fail to understand why because I wanna clean my cymbals that's a bad thing. To change the vintage sound?? I guess if your idea of vintage sound is 50 years of stuff on them then I cant change what you think. If your opinion of a antique is something that looks old and used that's your thing cool.

I personally know when I go look at antiques and buy them (I collect vintage radios, turntables and things of that) I don't look for one that has been extremely used. I want one that was barely touched over the years. I don't see why me cleaning them is somehow stripping the set of its vintage look, sound, or anything. The vintage look and feel is with the set, the actual set. Not the crud on the cymbals PERIOD!. It DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE DIRTY OR CLEAN NEW. ITS VINTAGE!!!!! Do you think the garbage on the cymbal somehow makes it all vintage? That doesn't make it vintage AL ALL!!!!!! The fact its a cymbal from 1958 makes it vintage not weather it looks 50 years old.

Posted on 12 years ago
#163
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From BosLover

I sure hope you're joking about hammering an old K, or any good cymbal.

You should go to that site..people hammered on alllll kinda cymbals. There were a few 60's and I saw a 40's. I guess they don't care about vintage. Wait I want to clean them I don't care about the vintage part what does that make these people??

Posted on 12 years ago
#164
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From bunnyman

You're cool, too.Yeah- don't touch the Zilly's but DO touch the B8's. No resale value, and nothing but improvement potential if you hammer them.

I wouldn't ever touch these zills. These are original to the kit so that shant be touched.

Now if I ever have another set of them i might do it to them. Regardless of what the dude said there is only 1 way to correctly hammer a cymbal. It isn't like there's 5600343434 different things you need to know. You need to know technique but seriously I have already hammered and bent metal over time with heat, without heat. Its pretty simple actually

I think this will be very fun to try on them b8's. I already have a few ideas to try out. Just need to run into Traverse sometime and pick up all my tools I need.

Posted on 12 years ago
#165
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From BosLover

Hammering cymbals is not quite like hammering nails into a 2x4. I wouldn't encourage him to try it even on a pair of B8s. Cymbal hammering is an art that take a long time to learn and requires the correct type of hammer, and apprpriate form, and technique. Just hammering a cymbal doen't make it sound better. You have to know what you're doing and have a specfic goal in mind. Overwhelming odds are he will just ruin whatever cymbal he tries it on. Unless he want to make it his lifes work, or at least a part time avocation, hammering cymbals should be left to those who are trained in the art.This thread is getting bizarre. While some here regularly discuss cleaning their cymbals, talk of rehammering cymbals, and removing and then reapplying patinas chemically, are subjects I would expect to see on other sites but not on a vintage drum forum. Is Mr Lud planning on modifying his drums as well? Vintage drums and cymbals are antiques and as such have a certain cachet. Dealers and collectors of antiques generally have fits when unknowledgable individuals clean or modify things to make them look brand new. It often causes a significant drop in interest and value. While the situation with vintage drums and cymbals is somewhat different since they are things to be used rather than to be merely looked at, care in their cleaning and restoration must still be taken. A cavalier attitide towards cleaning or modifiying them shows a lack of understanding of their historic, and more importantly, their musical value. Vintage drums and cymbals are prized for their sound, not just for their looks. If new and shiny is the main goal, one should go out and buy a new set of Pearl Exports and some current A's or ZBTs. D' Drummer

Here's my take on already severely disfigured, barn-fresh drums:

If the wrap has no means of being salvaged, mod the bejeezers out of it and let them live on as hot-rodded drums.

I am picking up a cool Slingerland kit tonight (as a trade), and she's close to mint- there ain't no way on G'd's green earth that I will do anything other than detail and play the p*ss outta them!!!

As far as hammering the cymbals, I suggested it 'cos I have seen and heard great results from b8 Sabians being re-hammered. No, it isn't so simple, but it is not impossible to learn, either. It was merely a suggestion...

As far as rushing this dude off, let the moderator decide that. Let's be friendly and open.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
#166
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As far as someone modifying a vintage drum, it may make me ill on the onset, but it makes a virgin, untouched example that much more valuable.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
#167
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Let them do as they wish. It isn't going to kill me. I can clearly see how they are around here. It has indeed changed that the topic is about but is that such a bad thing?? Maybe this site needs something new to bring. I have made a few threads and so far they seem to be very successful. I expect that my restoring thread to get a little attention too.

Hammering cymbals isn't to big of deal, I know some people that do and they offered to teach me what they know. That should be pretty neat experience. I can't wait to try and learn the art of cymbal making :) It should be really cool and what am I out if i break them? I paid 350 for this pearl set I beat on and it came with all the cymbals lol. I ain't out much if I should mess things up.

Posted on 12 years ago
#168
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Also why would I modify a vintage drum?? Did you see my kit...its already super rare. Why on this planet would I change anything about it? Its perfect the way it is and cleaned up I cant wait to show you guys. The nickel really shines after my 3 part polish process. I hope you all will still visit the thread and have a look when I make it official.

Posted on 12 years ago
#169
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From Mr.Lud

You should go to that site..people hammered on alllll kinda cymbals. There were a few 60's and I saw a 40's. I guess they don't care about vintage. Wait I want to clean them I don't care about the vintage part what does that make these people??

First don't get so upset. You're new to vintage gear and have access to only a few pieces you inherited. Many of us here have been involved for 20, 30, 40, and even 50 years, and have bought and sold dozens of cymbals and sets of drums. Many of us have extensive collective experience. You want to go hammer vintage cymbals you own or apply chemicals to them feel free. I think it would be a poor decision to do so.

Vintage cymbals are favored here not just because they are old or have a patina, but because they sound BETTER than most of the gear made today. And you don't mess around with something that sounds really good. Every musician knows that. And you're right, anyone that hammers a cymbal from the '40's, '50's and '60s truly does not care about and has no apprecation for vintage cymbals.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
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