Ain't sellin'

I think poop is a little much lol. I don't think the secret ingredient to a perfect patina is poop...i could be wrong lol. Even if it was they would really stink....literally

Good thing. Yes Sir! Seriously, assuming you weren't joking, I'm not sure what short term burying would accomplish. It's been tried before with very mixed results.

I really have a very simplistic approach to cymbal care. When I find a vintage cymbals I really, realy like, generally old A's or old K's, I play them as is. If they have significant amounts of dirt, or mold, or a gummy substance, I may clean them with mild soap and water and a soft absorbant cloth, or I may not. A thick gummy residue may actually be affecting the overtones that made me fall in love with it in the first place. I end up with cymbals that sound great to my ear, which is all I care about. After all if its the sound we prize, why mess with a good thing? And...if I choose to sell them later, there are no issues having to explain the lack of patina. For a $1500 to $2000 old K, a polishing could decrease its value.

I would NEVER, and I do mean NEVER do this to a cymbal that cost over $50.

Saluda would age the cymbal for $28, but I just can't see spending that for a $50 efx cymbal.

I wouln't do it to an A or K no matter what age. No Paiste's would get aged, nor Sabians (except for this Shade cymbal, made by Sabian for ddrum). Meinls and Cambers would get this treatment as it would improve them LOL

Trix's poop is dry bunny poops. I just buried the litter with the cymbal.

NO, it is not damageing the cymbal in any way. The patina prevents the oxidation from continueing any further. It will preserve the thing for hundreds and hundreds of years. Patina is a good thing for Brass, Bronze, and Copper !! Once patina is on the cymbal, decomposition stops !!

Alright well I have been reading around. I have looked at a bunch of forums, thousands of posts and a few books. I have concluded that the patina is just a something people really misunderstand. A patina isn't exactly sweat, smoke, dirt or any of that.

It is simply how the oxygen and other elements react with the cymbal and its metals. That seems to be about it. I have looked again and again and the actual patina doesn't change the sound much. Thats because the PATINA because it is so thin and so light it makes almost no difference in sound.

The dirt and crud and sweat on the other hand..yea that changes the sound. Now I have seen it both ways. People buy vintage cymbals and clean them right away because with all that crud on there you are indeed getting warmer sound but its not how it was made to sound.

So when its all said and done the patina is just a little thin layer that "protects" the cymbal. I read after so many years it begins to turn color too progressively getting uglier as time goes bye. This is just going on what I have found today though.

Let alone getting a cymbal that smells sh888y,it could sound sh888y too!

It could smell like poop but sound like a dream.

Or, it could smell like a dream and sound like poop.

We'll see...

Actually, burying it is a bit slower than just chemically aging it. I killed the polished finish, so I have made progress.

Sure, the old ways are best, but what fun is that?!?!? If this were an old K, this would not even be in the discussion. Yes, Sabian buried cymbals for two years, but why would I pay extra for them to do it? Yeah, those pies came in a wood box, yada yada, blah blah blah. This is a ddrum shade cymbal.

I also want to see for myself if burying a cymbal would do anything so I can settle this for myself once and for all.

Patina on brass is just like the surface rust on iron and the oxide that forms on aluminium- it prevents anything from happening to the metal underneath the oxide. The oxide oxidises and gets uglier and uglier.

Yes- it's the patina mixed with gunge that makes a change to the sound. Sometimes it does bond with the oxidation. I think of a Zildjian Earth Ride. I doubt it was buried, but it almost looks raw. I am trying to get a more raw-looking cymbal with my techniques. I know that a raw finish will dry out the sound. I may even hammer this cymbal to change the sound and appearance further.

Will bunny poop do much to the cymbal? Probably not. I have quite acidic soil where I live. We'll see what goes down with the burying...