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Stencil Drum Tuning Experiment

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I recently picked up a couple of 60's-early 70's era stencil sets for about $60 bucks each. My plan was to just experiment with them to see how good I can get them to sound by using modern heads and little else. I thought it would be fun to share some of my results here.

I chose these drums because of their age. I know that back in the 60's the stencil kits were generally made of luan (Phillipine) mahogony. This is a soft and relatively porous wood with a lot of oils when new. But I also know that with time the oils dry out and the wood becomes harder and more resonant, at least in theory. So I figured after 4 decades these drums should have a different character than they did when new. I also figured that with modern head technology, they could probably be made to sound much better than they would have with those old plain coated heads they all came with from the factory.

I like to experiment and an experiment I did a few years ago on a Slingerland Jam Session kit I have yielded some interesting results. I really like the responsiveness of very thin heads on the top (as well as the bottom) of the drums. On that kit I use Remo Diplomats on both. It sounds terrific, so I figured I would try something similar with the stencil drums.

I put Evans Genera Resonants on both the top and bottoms, yes I know that these are specificaly designed as bottom heads, but I wanted to try it. Well all I can say is wow!. The 12 inch tom sounds very much like the toms on my friends $6000 Drum Workshop set. It has a sharp attack and a long rich and surprisingly even sustain.

So far I've put a Genera Resonant on the top of the 14 inch floor tom and tuned it kind of low. I haven't even put the bottom head on it yet but it already resonates for at least a full 5-7 seconds before it decays out.

I also used a Genera Resonant on the top of the snare drum (14x6 wood). The sound is crisp, even, and well balanced, a little ring but not too much. The built in damper removes every trace of ring, but I prefer a wetter sound so I play it without the damper. I would not compare it to the sound of a $500 modern wood snare, but I would definitely compare it to snares I've played in the $250-300 range.

I only have the set partially restored but now that I know what to expect I plan to completely restore the kit and use it as my main gigging set. It really sounds much better than my Slingerlands.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Hey

thanks for that........

I am buying a WMP Revere 22,13,16 and matching snare kit tomorrow.

It was listed as a Kent set on Craigs,but I grilled her today,and found out they are Revere.

Still,by being on this forum,my interest has been piqued to get a MIJ set........

Price is right too........

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 13 years ago
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From blairndrums

Hey thanks for that........I am buying a WMP Revere 22,13,16 and matching snare kit tomorrow.It was listed as a Kent set on Craigs,but I grilled her today,and found out they are Revere.Still,by being on this forum,my interest has been piqued to get a MIJ set........Price is right too........

Congrats Blair!! You`ll like them...

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 13 years ago
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From grantro

Congrats Blair!! You`ll like them...Cheers

Agreed, I really think there's gold in them thar shells. 40 years is a long time for wood to cure and it seems to make a difference. I think it's really exciting that you can buy what people used to consider junk and make it sound distinctive and impressive just by applying a little 21st century technology.

My only complaint is those darn cheesy railmounts they all came with. I plan to keep mine original but it is tempting to consider using a modern mounting system.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks

I'm getting them for $60 to my door with a cymbal and stand!

She said $70 OBO in the ad,and I asked her the best price on them......

She said $50 or $60,so I asked if she would bring them to my door for $60,and she said yes!

I just read up on Revere,and I see Kent sold them.......that would explain the Kent head on 1 or 2 of the drums........

Would these be MIJ drums then? I'm thinking so.

Blair

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 13 years ago
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Depending on how you look at it, you may have just gotten a much better deal than you think. Someone else here correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, Kent was a US manufacturer, not Japanese at all, and they are supposed to be pretty good drums.

The guy who started Kent used to work at Gretsch, and check this out, they used Maple shells, man you got a helluva deal! Dude those drums are worth a fortune!

http://www.coopersvintagedrums.com/kentmuseum1000.htm

From blairndrums

ThanksI'm getting them for $60 to my door with a cymbal and stand!She said $70 OBO in the ad,and I asked her the best price on them......She said $50 or $60,so I asked if she would bring them to my door for $60,and she said yes!I just read up on Revere,and I see Kent sold them.......that would explain the Kent head on 1 or 2 of the drums........Would these be MIJ drums then? I'm thinking so.Blair

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Google Kent drums though,and you will see near the end they were selling MIJ drums with Kent stickers.

Even if the Reveres are MIJ ,for $60 I'm sure I can still maybe double my $$$

Blair

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 13 years ago
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MutantMozart: Thanks! I can't wait to hear what else you find... Yes, as a former nay sayer (until I was nearly handed an old Royal Star kit) the old MIJ stuff really does sound good if tuned with patience. The best I've gotten them to sound was with those el-cheapo heads that come on the entry level kits. Frankly it sounds like what you're using, except these are white and say things like 'Excel' or 'Acclaim' on them until I wipe the logo off with acetone.

blairndrums: Clean 'em up and goof around with them for a bit. These aren't going to confuse you with some '66 Ludwig Classic's in a taste test, but they ain't bad...

fishwaltz
Posted on 13 years ago
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I have a couple of people poss interested in them for $125 already.....

Make a quick $61.50....(I had to pay $3.50 at the ATM to get the $60 out!)

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 13 years ago
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It makes sense, those factory cheapos are usually real thin to save material and money I guess. I really think it's about thin heads. They tend to be bright and very responsive. The only problem is they don't last long. I know that the Generas are a couple mils thicker than the Diplomats but still very thin and responsive, I'm hoping these will last a bit better. The Dips are good for a month or two at best, well at least for me anyway. I'll report back as my experiment continues. I'm in it for the long haul now.

From fishwaltz

MutantMozart: Thanks! I can't wait to hear what else you find... Yes, as a former nay sayer (until I was nearly handed an old Royal Star kit) the old MIJ stuff really does sound good if tuned with patience. The best I've gotten them to sound was with those el-cheapo heads that come on the entry level kits. Frankly it sounds like what you're using, except these are white and say things like 'Excel' or 'Acclaim' on them until I wipe the logo off with acetone. blairndrums: Clean 'em up and goof around with them for a bit. These aren't going to confuse you with some '66 Ludwig Classic's in a taste test, but they ain't bad...

Georgia Phil Custom Drumworks
https://www.GeorgiaPhil.com

Drum Wrap, Drum Heads, Drum Accessories
https://www.StuffForDrummers.com
Posted on 13 years ago
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