The sanded lug looks aluminum and the other white metal on it looks like aluminum oxide !! (Normal ageing for aluminum) Can I get a close-up of the FT hoop,...I`m stumped on this design !!
I thought it is aluminium, now I have checked and the lugs do not stick to the magnet, so I`m not sure, but they should be alluminium.
Regarding the FT hoop... sure, i`ll take some pictures.
In reguards to the head not fitting, you have the hoop with no t-rods on top of the floor tom, how come it don`t slide down to the top of the lugs ?? Is there something else holding it up ??
Virtually all of the drums made in Europe up until recently had hoops that curved IN at the top, similar to what Americans call a sticksaver hoop. Because of the incurving top of the hoop the i.d. at the top of the hoop is smaller than the o.d. of the drum. It therefore can't slide down.
I thought it is aluminium, now I have checked and the lugs do not stick to the magnet, so I`m not sure, but they should be alluminium. Regarding the FT hoop... sure, i`ll take some pictures.
Chrome on aluminum was a very common system in the 50's and 60's in continental Europe. White Metal(tin/zinc/lead-in various proportions) was also used. It is hard to tell the difference but one is much softer than the other. If you take a knife and scratch the undersurface of a piece of hardware(somewhere where there is no chrome), the aluminum will scratch with difficulty and white metal will scratch easily. White Metal is used where economy is important because it melts at a much lower temperature and saves a lot of energy.
Ya got that backwards,...the soft steel and hard steel both are harder to scratch than Aluminum and both melt at considerably higher temp. than Aluminum !!
The un-cleaned lug looks like my Aluminum diamond plated tool box on my truck !! The oxide forms naturally. the sand job looks like all aluminum and so does the un-cleaned !! Aluminum can be polished to a shine but not like chrome.
While Aluminum melts just above 1,220 degrees, Iron will melt at just above 1,300 degrees, but tempered steel can reach 3,500 degrees before melting.
What I find interesting is the way the badge looks and is made similar to the old Amati badge in the link !!
My bad calf,...the tin, zinc, and especially lead are all softer than the Aluminum, when you said white metal, I foolishly thought steel !!
Chrome on aluminum was a very common system in the 50's and 60's in continental Europe.
Yes, Phil - it's really true for mounts and brackets but I doubt very much about lugs.
White Metal(tin/zinc/lead-in various proportions) was also used.
No lead and no tin also - it's extremely expensive to use and damaging to health (in 60's hygiene situation on factories also was under the high strong control).
I'm almost sure--on 99%--that lugs made from wellknown standard low cost ZAC-alloy, as in the widest areas of other european industry kinds.
If there is any doubts with the material - the difference between Al and ZAC can be very easy defined - simply on weight. Both oxides on Al surface or on ZAC looks identically on appearance.
What I find interesting is the way the badge looks and is made similar to the old Amati badge in the link !!
Yes-ss! Just in point! I thought the same thing at first sight on pic. :)
Old Amati badge was made by cast from low density polystyrol - white or black - with wrap accordance.
George.
Well, i did some measurements.
It seems that the drums are, first of all, non-standard size, and secondly, a little out of round. I`m not surprised, really...
So... the largest diameter i could find on the floor tom is 36,6 cm, and the smallest is 36,2 cm; the height is 43,8 cm. Speaking in inches, these would be 14,40 in , 14,25 in and height 17,24 in. Pretty weird...
For the bass drum, the sizes are 48,2 cm (18,97 in ) smallest diameter, 48,4 biggest diameter (19,05 in) x 40 (15,74 in).
I was expecting odd dimensions, though, as I wasn`t expecting them to be anywhere close to the standards. I thing that roughly some 19" heads would fit on the bassdrum... if i could find something like that. In these consequences, restoring the hoops is a must, since brand-new hoops won`t fit.
I am worrying about out-of-round-ness, are these values tolerable? If not, is there anything i could do?
Edit: i was browsing Youtube for some romanian band videos and I stumbled across THIS. It looks to me that the bass drum is simmilar to the one i have, am I correct? Also, oddly enough, the ride cymbal seems to be mounted on the floor tom!!
Also, if you`d like to hear some vintage Doina`s and romanian cymbals pretty well recorded, you could listen to this prog song. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIxUN1nLwxc"]Phoenix - Invocatie[/ame]
pretty fine ---- I think my friend Vali, from Alba Julia mentioned Phoenix but I never heard anything until now.-----regarding your head sizes: The floor tom is a standard German size up until the early 60's----one mfg. of snare drums still uses it and heads are made by Altenburger in both Calf and Mylar. The bass drum is just slightly smaller than the 500mm that was used by several German companies. Now, I have some used 363mm heads that will fit the tom(I don't think your out of rounds are a big problem) and I have some 500mm used heads as well. They may not work, depending on the inside diameter of the skirt of your hoop and the i.d. of the waist of the hoop(the part that slips right over the shell). If you p.m. me those measurements, I will check the heads I have for a fit . Stabil also has them in Germany but I wonder. Romania is a country with a lot of tradition and remarkable old world skills-----is there not someone there, doing calf heads for old kits? There must still be a few of these around? Or perhaps some N.O.S. heads in old music shops? I still find some of that kind of stuff here in Canada and generally we throw everything out ,when it is 3 years old.--just a thought.
