Well.....I believe that it was a jazz gig, so doing a jazz number to scare someone off wasn't the intent behind my post on that subject.....it was more of a PARTICULAR jazz number used to scare them off. But being the drunk that the guy was, I don't think anything would scare him off.

The whole scenario just comes down to musicians etiquette. You don't go to a Stones concert, sit in the front row and ask Mick if you can sit in in place of Charlie now do you? If you do, you sure got some stones of your own :p

And in the second place, it ain't never gonna happen anyway! LoLoLoLo

Bowing

Well, I have been holding this back but seeing as it is still going for fifty plus posts, I figured why not........

My take is that the audience is NOT expected to sit there quietly and adore all of the musician's on the stage. They paid their money/cover/whatever and if they want to bring in drumsticks and tap on a chair, or be the airdrumming demi-god, good for them. They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, and maybe this drumstick tapping individual is sincerely trying to get a few pointers, however awkward this may sound. You veteran drummers of 20, 30 or 40 years may have forgotten how hard it is to do one thing with this foot, another thing with that foot and something else with the hands! I find myself trying to simulate playing drums even while driving my truck down the road as a form of "practicing". I am always tapping my right foot to what I believe the drummer on the radio is beating out on his kick. I am not doing this to send "signals" to passing vehicles or people on the airplane that I am an aspiring drummer. I am doing this because I would really like to be able to play the song I am listening to and any form of practice is better than none, in my situation where I am away from my kit, for a month at a time, on occassion.

Having never even played in front of more than one person at a time, I cannot comment on the gigging and sitting in and all that stuff. I will say that if you are playing gigs in an establishment that takes it's primary income from selling alcohol (bars), you should already know what to expect from some of the patrons. You can't go to ANY bar and not have "that guy" there being a snapperhead. It just doesn't happen, ever, in any bar.......

Toodles,

Drumhack ToiletThe BandJump For Joyx-mas1x-mas2

There's all kinds of places where people who need the practice can go without having to infringe on someone's gig. It's all about identifying the appropriate time and place. Sure, it's a bar. Sure, people drink alcohol. I understand that. Some people can't handle their alcohol. I understand that, too. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Confidence that's fueled by ignorance and/or alcohol is always the kind of thing that wears down the rest of the patrons in the audience who also paid their cover charge to be able to come in and drink responsibly alongside other adults who want to enjoy the ambience provided by professional musicians who have already done their homework over the 20, 30 40 years of playing...and who don't want the subtle ideas to be infringed upon by some oaf pounding on a chair or snapping fingers or tapping feet -no matter how well-meaning the people behind it all may be. It's all about the proper time and place. And it's also about people making themselves more aware of their environment...and learning how to hold their alcohol better than a first-time beer drinker at a high school kegger. There seems to be such a sense of entitlement going on in the world. "I paid my cover charge, so I'm entitled to come in and act like a drunk jackass, bum out the band and the patrons, if I want to because it's my world, too..." Ridiculous.

Why don't drunks ever want to come in and help the bartenders make drinks or help the waiters serve people food? Why don't they ever volunteer to go back into the kitchen and sit in with the guy washing the dishes? It's always the musicians who get singled out. :mad:

I like to eat food, too...but it doesn't mean that it's okay to walk up to other people while they are eating and grab the dinner roll off their plate -even if I ask politely.

If you drive a truck, then how would it be if I just assumed that since I pay taxes for road construction and you drive your truck on the public roads, then I should be able to take your truck for a spin when I feel like it?

I have been to the dentist's office many times over the years. I've been around dentistry a lot. I'm thinking that I might sit in with the dentist sometime...and you're the next patient. Don't worry. I'm not THAT drunk....*hiccup* Plus, I have a Dremel tool at home that I practice with on the cats sometimes. So, don't worry. Relax.x-mas3

I think it does...hey drumhack.....toss O-lugs the keys will ya? LoLoLoLo

Falling Do LoLoLoLo Bowing

My comments were for the conduct of the audience as far as simulating playing along or whatever. I already made this point very clear but I will reiterate and expand upon it briefly. I have never played drums with anyone, for anyone and the only audience I have ever had was my son and my IPOD. Furthermore, I wouldn't be caught dead in a jazz bar so the protocol for those places escapes my experience level as well. Basically a bar is a place for people to get tuned up, bottom line, and they just choose a decor and adopt a theme to try and maximize patronage for the profits. Every bar in the world will have at least one obnoxious drunk person, every day, everywhere. Getting mad about that is pretty much like getting mad about the sun coming up or the snow falling in December. It is pointless to me. Honestly, as I start to get a little grey hair coming in, I choose to avoid bars most of the time because of this phenomenon. Now, with this all said, if jazz bars are the exception where people are expected to not get drunk, remain seated and quiet, and basically be wallflowers, then I retract my comments on this thread.

I stand by my comment that the audience is free to sing along, air drum along, swing his sticks what have you. Every concert I have ever seen the band is at it's best when the audience is pumped up and jammin' along. The worst shows are the ones' in bars or smaller places where everyone is talking and nobody seems to be listening to the live music. I have heard noticeable differences in the same local bands based on the audience's interaction, or at least attention level.

I don't think it appropriate for a guy to assume he can join in and play with the band, in general.

I do think he is within his "rights" to play along from the audience though, provided he didn't bring his kit and set it up next to the bouncer's stool or something like that.......

toodles,

Drumhack Hurtingx-mas3Mallet Player2Jump For Joy

I work in power plants all over this rock, I don't "drive truck". The truck I was referring to is my 2007 Tundra Crewmax, the finest truck ever made, straight from the great state of Texas! If he wants to take her for a spin, be my guest! While he is up here, maybe I can get a couple lessons on the skins! I will get my Linkin Park CD out of the truck and loaded up in the garage stereo so he has something to jam along with!Cool1

Unfortunately, bars do facilitate drunks. And I deal do with them when I have to, but I don't encourage drunken behavior on the bandstand, regardless. There are plenty of bars that encourage it, though. More power to them in their own space. Some establishments that serve alcohol are not all dive bars where drinking is the main focus. In the case of my jazz gig, it's in the lounge section of a four star restaurant, not Bob's Kuntry Bunker. Lots of people are able to consume some alcohol, have a nice dinner and enjoy a few hours of artistic enrichment -without ever expecting to put a lampshade on their head and get up onstage. Other people lack the ability to know their limitations and allow their weakness to overtake their better judgement.

I have an audiophile stereo system that is capable of reproducing recorded music at extremely high decibels. But it doesn't mean that I have to crank it up all the time just because I can. Same thing with some folks who drink. They think that going out to a bar means getting s&!tfaced drunk every time, like that's the entire point of going to a bar to begin with. But it's not. In fact, it's rarely the point outside of the oafish, redneck biker places. It's much more of a socializing environment. And there are plenty of bars that are lower key and cater to a classier, more educated type of clientele. It's just that sometimes, ignorant and/or drunk people don't end up at the most appropriate place to cultivate their ignorance. And in those instances, they get a chance to reel it in or they will be asked to leave. We usually do try and give the benefit of the doubt, initially, but if the inappropriate behavior continues, the offenders will be asked to leave...or removed...depends on who is working.

i agree that you can't stop a air guitar hero in the audience and that's were they should stay. how about a little sign "no sit in's insurance reasons thank you for the offer " or something to that effect

by the way at a jazz gig you'd think they would be more refined i 'd expect that at a bar that you have to move the drunks off the floor to set up, maybe they look at us like we are sacred do not touch at the no name bars, that its just good ol bar patrons listening to some jams, uh oh oh i think i mite of come up with another thread

"high class joints verse rot gut dives"