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From O-Lugs

Unfortunately, bars do facilitate drunks. And I deal do with them when I have to, but I don't encourage drunken behavior on the bandstand, regardless. There are plenty of bars that encourage it, though. More power to them in their own space. Some establishments that serve alcohol are not all dive bars where drinking is the main focus. In the case of my jazz gig, it's in the lounge section of a four star restaurant, not Bob's Kuntry Bunker. Lots of people are able to consume some alcohol, have a nice dinner and enjoy a few hours of artistic enrichment -without ever expecting to put a lampshade on their head and get up onstage. Other people lack the ability to know their limitations and allow their weakness to overtake their better judgement. I have an audiophile stereo system that is capable of reproducing recorded music at extremely high decibels. But it doesn't mean that I have to crank it up all the time just because I can. Same thing with some folks who drink. They think that going out to a bar means getting s&!tfaced drunk every time, like that's the entire point of going to a bar to begin with. But it's not. In fact, it's rarely the point outside of the oafish, redneck biker places. It's much more of a socializing environment. And there are plenty of bars that are lower key and cater to a classier, more educated type of clientele. It's just that sometimes, ignorant and/or drunk people don't end up at the most appropriate place to cultivate their ignorance. And in those instances, they get a chance to reel it in or they will be asked to leave. We usually do try and give the benefit of the doubt, initially, but if the inappropriate behavior continues, the offenders will be asked to leave...or removed...depends on who is working.

I thought for sure that Roadhouse would be mentioned as well as Bob's County Bunker...LoLoLoLo

Believe me, having played and frequented some of the nicer establishments as well as some dive bars (or biker bar if you will) it's hard to lump "educated" people as being more civilized and know their place at a "lounge" vs. the "oaf" in the dive-bar. These are stereotypes for sure, and it can go both ways. I've been in some real dives where the people are very nice to the bands and don't tolerate the usual "Roadhouse" type of behavior. I've also been in some very "classy" places where some of these "educated" people can be a real problem.

As others have pointed out, its how the particular person handles their alcohol intake. Those that can't handle it make problems for everyone, regardless of background or establishment.

BTW, talk to some of those "oafs" sometime, you'll find that although they may not necessarily be highly educated, they do have good taste in music and know their music. One of those "oaf-biker types" taught me something once.......that although he was rough looking on the outside, he was a great person on the inside and had very sophisticated taste in music...not just the typical heavy-metal or blues lover, but a love of jazz and classical too! Also found out besides being a Vietnam Vet, that he was a poet too! Who'da thought just by looking at the guy........again, stereotypes......the old adage, don't judge a book by its cover applies I think.

Posted on 13 years ago
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I think well-mannered people are "educated" people in regards to this discussion. I think oafish people are the people who think they have "the right" to do whatever they damn well feel like with no regard for what is appropriate for that particular environment they happen to be in at the time. My home town is Sturgis, South Dakota, so I know about rednecks and I damn sure know about bikers. Are they all oafs? no. I apologize for using that term, specifically...It's just memories of years of playing at places that really had chicken wire around the stage -just like Bob's Kuntry Bunker and places with biker gangs like the Banditos wanting to hear ONLY Freebird all night long. The difference is that those places were real for me and not some funny skit in a movie! I saw so many fights and drunk people grabbing the microphones, etc. Those terms reflect my emotional scars, I guess! lol!

I'm all for exchange of opinion, though, so if not everyone agrees with me it's perfectly fine. It's still not going to change my policy for discouraging what I deem as being inappropriate behavior. Bars are there to sell alcohol, yes...but not to sell all their alcohol to just one drunk guy who thinks he has the "right" to act like a douchebag.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 13 years ago
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Well ... we've been down the road and back ... a few times. I believe we are at the same junction again. I can't honestly say that I enjoy anyone acting a fool regardless of the circumstance or location. It's just bad social grace. We are different people, though. Speaking as one who has resided in Arkansas for about 8 years now ... I can tell you that some people are just not raised with the knowledge of appropriateness in every situation. It is what it is. Some get it and some have no chance of ever getting it. What is right for some is odd behavior for others. If everyone behaved perfectly in every situation ... that would just be strange. Who decides what is appropriate? My bar is set different from his ... which is set different from hers ... etc.

This is a vent by a respected member (I respect him, anyway) ... most of which I agree with. So, here's yet another member with nothing new to add to a very long diatribe infused thread.

... and my sister rode with the Bandidos for several years.

What Would You Do
Posted on 13 years ago
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some of my best gigs have been biker bars i am one too well not like i use to be but still ride and i've done tuxedo gigs and it seems there are a*&^es every where

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once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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That's a good point Rogersling. But most everyone has a certain amount of sensitivity to their environment. My gig isn't one of those "kickass" places. It's an alternative to that. And it's pretty clear what the vibe is. Sometimes, people just get lost or misplaced. If they are disappointed when they stumble into my jazz gig and decide we aren't kicking ass enough to embellish their alcohol buzz, then that's too bad. They should have gone a couple more blocks down the street to the kickass place. x-mas3

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 13 years ago
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Amen. By now, I'm thinking that we both know "they" will drop by again and again and again. It's never really a matter of the gig. "They" always seem to locate us. I played a jazz trio gig at the nicest Bath House in Hot Springs, and I'll be darned if there wasn't one or two questionable gents. It just stands to reason that if our stick hits the head, the mook will drop in. I understand your frustration and applaud you for opening this up as a venting table. I do, however caution all that believe a solution is available. There is not one. The moment a drummer believes he can control the behavior of another is the day the rest of the band stages an "intervention" for said delusional miscreant. The only thing we can do is stand our ground and smile. It's worked for ages.

Well ... that, and maybe pee around the kit to mark your territory. That might also work.

What Would You Do
Posted on 13 years ago
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as the curtain closes you here one last call

FREE BIRD

goodnight

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Well. Like most gigging musicians I have been asked to "sit-in" and had other players "sit-in". It never seems to be that great of playing, due to many factors, all of which have been discussed here. My new trick to deter any possible "sitting in" candidates, is to inform them that:

[LIST=1]

[*]I (along with the band) are playing to tracks and a clicktrack. You MUST play with the said.

[*]I use In-Ear Monitors that are custom molded for MY ears...NO you cannot use them.

[*]You have to use in-ears to hear the tracks, click and monitors.

[/LIST]

If at that point, they still want to, the band members will usually back me up and just say NO!

Thank You,

Randy Lane
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Posted on 13 years ago
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lol jag!

Randydrummer,

That's a great method! That's another thing I wanted to mention in regards to my gig and why I don't like people sitting in; It's really a matter of playing tunes with the same guys for years and years and developing a certain sensitivity to them and their playing. When someone else comes in cold, the music suffers because that tight-knit feeling is suddenly gone.

And there's always a few noisy people in bar who don't care about the music and are oblivious. That's true enough. But there's also a few people who make it a point of coming out and supporting the live music and the live music aspect is the only reason they are there.

The bartender needs to worry about selling drinks, not me. I only worry about the people who are there for the music. It's not a jam session and it's not a request line. I don't think it's any kind of reward to the people who come out in support of live bands and music venues to allow the gigs to be compromised.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 13 years ago
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From al9000

It's bad enough when someone brings sticks in the hopes of getting to sit in. But it's even worse when those tools whip them out and practice their rudiments or click along during the course of the set.

I don't have any problem with air drumming at all. I do it when I'm inspired ... if I see it while I'm the performer, it gives me energy. And if I'm in the audience and the drummer on stage is playing something hip, I might move my limbs surreptitiously in an effort to remember the lick for later study. None of these actions require me to bring sticks to another person's gig.

But air drumming, by definition, should be silent. No matter how innocent the intent, drumstick noise from the audience is just plain rude.

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