Rogers Expert Please Help

[kenshireen]

I bought this Rogers Eagle Snare drum from a well established collector many years ago.

I was told it was all original to the best of his knowledge other than the heads/wires.
The snare is 5 ply, clock face strainer, tall boy hoops, BDP wrap, tube lugs and no extra holes.
The inside is stamped twice with a date of Dec 29, 1961 once from a drum shop and the second using a slightly different font . It also has a serial number 122961.

Someone help me understand this. I wasn't aware that tube lugs were used on Rogers Eagle snares yet there are no extra holes that would have been necessary had the B&B or Beaver Tail been replaced. There is not patching. Inside is perfectly smooth.

Help me understand what is going on.

[Round Badge]

Hello Ken, I'll take a stab at it. From the 1959 Rogers Catalogue, Everthing is Bread and butter Lugs with 2 hole. And the muffler pic you put up the tension rods are differnt. So they are not correct for the year. My guess, The drum had broken lugs or they were stripped for another drum if they weren't broken. and the wrap may be a rewrap. Just my 2 cents. Round Badge http://www.drumarchive.com/Rogers/

[kdg]

I agree with Round Badge.
The tension rods didn't have a flair at the base at the time. Hoops look to be correct but the grommet on the badge is wrong. It should be a muted brass patina matching the badge. I have seen tube lugs attached to this era of rogers drums, but they were probably added after the B and B lugs failed. Obviously, the serial number matches the date of "repair". Another suspicious item is the interior of the shell. It looks like bare wood which while possible it would have been extremely rare as they were usually painted and included a paper tag.

[grantro]

If that is the original wrap, you should see indents and/or marks from the original bread and butter lugs...It doesn`t look like there are any in the pics...This could be more evidence of a rewrap along with the grommet changeout...

Cheers

[kenshireen]

Originally Posted by kdg

I agree with Round Badge.
The tension rods didn't have a flair at the base at the time. Hoops look to be correct but the grommet on the badge is wrong. It should be a muted brass patina matching the badge. I have seen tube lugs attached to this era of rogers drums, but they were probably added after the B and B lugs failed. Obviously, the serial number matches the date of "repair". Another suspicious item is the interior of the shell. It looks like bare wood which while possible it would have been extremely rare as they were usually painted and included a paper tag.

Hi,
The interior is not bare wood. I will shoot a better picture.
BUT.. I understand that these are not the original lugs and it is more than likely a rewrap... but wouldn't the spacing of the holes be different between the tube and B&B

Thank you
Ken

[kdg]

Not necessarily. I found this on a quick google search of Rogers Eagle drum:

https://m.facebook.com/nelsondrumsho...484963177077:0

BB lugs had a spacing of 1 5/8" and I don't know if vintage tube lugs shared that same measurement. However "Drum Factory Direct" offers a tube lug with a 1 9/16" hole spacing, which is 1/16" less than the BB lugs. To make it work, they would have to widen one of the holes just enough for it to fit. You may want to pull one tube lug off and check to see if one hole is slightly larger than the other (a washer would hide this)

https://www.drumfactorydirect.com/in...x&cPath=6_9_10

Kurt

[kenshireen]

Originally Posted by kdg

I agree with Round Badge.
The tension rods didn't have a flair at the base at the time. Hoops look to be correct but the grommet on the badge is wrong. It should be a muted brass patina matching the badge. I have seen tube lugs attached to this era of rogers drums, but they were probably added after the B and B lugs failed. Obviously, the serial number matches the date of "repair". Another suspicious item is the interior of the shell. It looks like bare wood which while possible it would have been extremely rare as they were usually painted and included a paper tag.

I shoot an additional picture...inside is a pale blue. This is a beautiful 5 ply shell perfect condition

[amosguy]

I have found adjustable tube lugs online I used on a COB Dyna shell. No hole adjustment needed. And USA Rogers never used phillips head scews.

[jmcohen]

In your first photo I can clearly see the outline of B&B lugs. Not the entire length of it, but definitely parts of it, on the edges of both lugs.

Also, the “serial number” isn’t a serial number. It is a third printing of the date 12/29/61.

Not that any of this helps...but it’s a fun investigation!

Josh

[Ron_M]

The 1 9/16" tube lug might work fine if the bosses are slightly smaller, without having to enlarge the original holes.