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Old 11-17-2018, 09:42 PM
jmcohen jmcohen is offline
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Default Future Vintage?

How many of us realized back in the 60’s and 70’s that we were living and playing in the heyday of acoustic drum making? How many of us have regrets of no longer having the drums that are now considered by many as the best of the best? Aside from BEC, most of us let those drums slip right through our fingers, unaware of their future values.

So if we are to learn from this, one benefit would be to identify what is now a common instrument/accessory/item but will likely increase in value, and retain them (or horde them) when they are readily available and relatively inexpensive.

Does anyone have any idea of what such items/drums/accessories those would be? I know that I just recently picked up an Evans drum key that must weigh 5 times the average drum key. It’s SOLID! Does that make it well-built? I think so. Collectible? I have no idea!

I apologize if this question has already been addressed on this forum. If so, I don’t mean to belabor it. But I would be interested in any input.

Thanks.

Josh
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:01 AM
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Any pies made in old formulas will age to be fine cymbals some day... but wood quality’s will never be, do to scarecity of endangered woods !
so if you don’t have your kit from the sixtys wait til us geezers die and you can collect them at estate sale lol
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:36 AM
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Let's think about this for a minute.
Unless the government or aliens confiscate all drums made before 1980, there will still be vintage drums as we know them today. What do you suppose our grandkids would rather buy in 50 years? A 2018, (Insert your favorite company), or a 1964 Ludwig black oyster pearl kit?
I'm sure some were collecting drums in the 80's that were made twenty years prior. Do you know of anyone who collects drums from 1998? Me either.

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Old 11-18-2018, 10:55 AM
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JR,
Are you saying that nothing manufactured these days will ever be considered as valuable to collectors some day? From reading many if your posts, I know that you tend to be a “glass half empty” kind of guy (not a criticism, just an observation!), but not even high-end DW’s, Ludwigs or Sonors?
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:39 AM
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I'm just saying that I don't believe anything made today will be as sought after as what we now consider vintage or collectable. Like I said, I don't see anyone collecting drums from the 90's or even the 80's, I could be wrong, but I don't know of anyone.
The 60's was a special decade for music and drums and from what I see, it's the most popular decade for drum collectors.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:23 PM
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I'm just saying that I don't believe anything made today will be as sought after as what we now consider vintage or collectable. Like I said, I don't see anyone collecting drums from the 90's or even the 80's, I could be wrong, but I don't know of anyone.
The 60's was a special decade for music and drums and from what I see, it's the most popular decade for drum collectors.
I tend to agree with you.
And the 1950's IMO when R&R was a baby and all the other music genres really gave us the good stuff. IMO as the 60's went on the manufacturing became a bit sloppy so I find the kits from the 50's are built better, more collectable & better sounding. I've been having this same discussion with my wife and some other musician friends who collect guitars. WHO is going to get all these incredible instruments we own in 20-40 years?
We can only hope there are some younger folks out there who will appreciate what we are doing now and will keep these incredible instruments in as great shape as I do.
I was never in this for the resale value. I want to play incredible sounding, looking & rare vintage drums NOW why I am here!
I am just a curator for the future but there will be some very HAPPY folks down the road....
But then again, maybe someone born in 1992 will only want drums from the 90's!
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:26 PM
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I have had these thoughts myself.
Personally I suspect that the high quality Mapex stuff (saturn, orion, some black panther snares) will be valuable one day. The build quality on that is exceptional and in my opinion is sonically superior to many instruments that are made today. I think gretsch's top of the line (brooklyn, usa custom ) will be coveted as it is just such a high quality product. I think zildjian has lost touch with what made their cymbals so valuable to begin with- now everything is overpriced and doesn't possess much personality. However I think some of the Zildjian A's made over the last 2-3 decades will be coveted- many of them are fine cymbals and have already began to show the ripening that comes with time.
I do not think that much of what Ludwig has made over the last 2 decades will stand the test of time and be valuable 50 years from now. Same could be said for Pearl and Yamaha equipment. I suspect Tama will follow suit as well however I suspect Tama's top top of the line gear will retain some value.
Only time will truly tell though.
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Old 11-18-2018, 05:26 PM
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I couldn't disagree more with Mapex being something collectable. They make good drums, so does every company out there, but there's nothing special about them, there's no one special playing Mapex, some talented drummers, yes, but most won't be remembered in 50 years. Think about all the drummers who played Ludwig, Rogers, Slingerland or Gretsch back in the 60's, most of those guys are what I would consider special drummers who still remain relevant today. It wasn't just the drums, but who played them.
I could be totally wrong, so to be on the safe side, you'd better start stocking up on those Mapex drums.

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Old 11-18-2018, 06:10 PM
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Like muscle cars, there was an “era” of the drums we collect. Ludwig, Rogers, Slingerland, Gretsch, Camco and a few others. Even later 70’s Ludwigs don’t seem as collectible as the 60’s drums. I don’t see anything Mapex ever being collectible due to mass production. In comparison; a ‘92 Iroc Z will never bring big bucks(unless it was stored with 2 miles on it).
Also, I am seeing the millennial generation gravitate toward the vintage gear! It is “repurposing” so new drum don’t have to be made from trees(perhaps). They want the old stuff because new stuff doesn’t sound as good either! The last 3 kits I have sold were bearded 20 somethings with skinny jeans and Converse “chucks”!
Nothing ever compare to this era of drums....period!
There’s my opinion🤜🤛
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Old 11-18-2018, 06:12 PM
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it will always be impossible for a modern drum to have a better sound than a 50 or 80 older, one has seasoned and bent woods for many decades, the glue that has fossilized, the other has the fresh and slightly seasoned woods that are been bent for a few months...

...not to mention the drum up 50s and some top range up to 60s with all the nickel-plated brass hardware, now play a lot of iron and plastics ...

the best qualities will always remain the oldest, out of the jungle of the modern market and built in a very serious way !

then the collectors could look other aspects and collect the Ludwig Vistalite for examples for completely different reasons ...


likely today's drums that will be collected tomorrow are the ones that today are the most expensive and the handmade (some top limited series Gretsh, Craviotto, etc ...), so it will not be convenient to make an investment ... all the others will remain very common for a long time and i believe many will end up soon in the trash ... maybe disintegrated by some punk band and they will end up in the fireplace

probably those who will look for a power sound to do "vintage grunge" or "vintage hard core" could still look for a DW or similar, impossible to predict with certainty ...

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