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Old 08-22-2019, 03:55 PM
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Thank you for the update Tommy P.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:41 PM
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Isn't it usually just the transparent outer ply of the wrap that discolors (yellows)?
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:54 PM
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Absolutely no idea!, and the owner and I did talk about that at length too. I can offer this though:

I completely RUINED a MINT set of 1966 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliners in WMP by gigging them in lots of outside venues/theaters. I had just started with the Sinatra Show and was playing these prior to finding my 1965 Rogers Buddy Rich Celebrity's. Anyway ... having ZERO knowledge .. then .. on just what UV exposure will do to the older WMP wraps, I gigged these for years! I swear, one day I took the bass drum out of it's case .. and the drums were ALWAYS cased in between shows/performances .. and it was a DEEP butterscotch "yellow". I freaked! Took the rest of the set out of their cases, and the same .. except .. NOT at the same rate of fade! And THAT is the rub here! Why??!! All were exposed at the same time and level over the years, yet the rate of fade/yellowing was NOT uniform. I only make mention of this as the Slingerland 80N's here seem to be quite similar. So who really knows how the wrap chemistry reacts to UV and at what levels. I had always assumed .. and probably not a good thing to do .. that all the wrap came from the same sheets/batch when they wrap drums ... but perhaps not? Either way ... I RUINED those Rogers in the aesthetics department, but they still played and sounded great of course! Still ... could never get a bead on why/how those drums faded/yellowed at different rates. Yet another conundrum!

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That's very interesting, I was thinking someone cleaned his toms with something that made that happen.

The funny thing is, I played my kit outside all the time back in the day, like you I didn't know much about the UV thing,...Mine didn't fade much at all til this day. They tinted a little bit green and stopped. I wonder if it's the glue mix. Mine were built in the 70's, those sixties seem to yellow right up deep.

I hope he links the auction.
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:02 PM
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Isn't it usually just the transparent outer ply of the wrap that discolors (yellows)?
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Could very well be! .. but .. fade/yellowing still don't seem to be EVEN on many sets/drums, and that's what is so odd given that the exposure on my 1966 Rogers was with all drums present! I don't wish to hijack this thread per se .. but .. here's a pic of my 1966 Rogers BR Headliner's AFTER the UV damage. Note the toms are substantially darker than the bass drum! Was a shame that I just didn't KNOW about that at the time, and thus continued to play them in outdoor venues until I did notice.. It also happened so SLOWLY, that you just don't see it ... until you do!

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Old 08-22-2019, 11:26 PM
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Tommy,

Did you tell him to put the original heads back on, DO NOT CLEAN THEM, because Buddy's sweat, hair and skin is all over the heads and wedged between the rim too ? That's kinda important. He dripped like a faucet.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:53 AM
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FWIW, isn't snare rash on the small tom super common? All my drums have it.
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Old 08-23-2019, 02:04 AM
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FWIW, isn't snare rash on the small tom super common? All my drums have it.
I would think location, Buddy tilted his snare.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:50 AM
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hardbat/OB!

JUST the snare rash on the 9X13 alone would mean very little .. you are correct in stating that this type of "damage" isn't all that unique .. however, in this case it's another link in a CHAIN of indicators that move the whole thing forward to a pretty darn positive conclusion. With that said: ALL of Buddy's sets had this "damage" as he was constantly pushing his snare drum .. hard .. into the 9X13. OB is also correct with the angle of his snare drum .. some times more angle than others .. which also helped the rash along. I have pics from Buddy's last Ludwig endorsement ( 1978 to 1980 ) where he had instructed his set up "crew" ( one of which I know and have chatted at length with ) to literally TAPE his snare drum right to the 9X13 to kind of help stabilize it. Didn't matter ... he still pushed the snare drum into the 9X13! That was Buddy! I'll attach a pic taken from the back so you can see just that!

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Old 08-23-2019, 09:48 AM
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Oh the FERVOR! I love it. Thanks you to all of the commenters and to TommyP for the edifying conversation that we had. I wish I had the original heads among other things...being young and stupid was insufferable.
I am happy to have the other thread opened if deemed appropriate by ADMIN., or we can just continue it here as some of the same questions posed have been answered convincingly here.
I will keep everyone updated as to the outcome, or if anyone would like to PM interest to me I will be sure to answer.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:50 AM
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hardbat/OB!

JUST the snare rash on the 9X13 alone would mean very little .. you are correct in stating that this type of "damage" isn't all that unique .. however, in this case it's another link in a CHAIN of indicators that move the whole thing forward to a pretty darn positive conclusion. With that said: ALL of Buddy's sets had this "damage" as he was constantly pushing his snare drum .. hard .. into the 9X13. OB is also correct with the angle of his snare drum .. some times more angle than others .. which also helped the rash along. I have pics from Buddy's last Ludwig endorsement ( 1978 to 1980 ) where he had instructed his set up "crew" ( one of which I know and have chatted at length with ) to literally TAPE his snare drum right to the 9X13 to kind of help stabilize it. Didn't matter ... he still pushed the snare drum into the 9X13! That was Buddy! I'll attach a pic taken from the back so you can see just that!

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Should have used duct tape...

But, it is interesting that he used a super sensitive. I never knew that!
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