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Zildjian Hi-Hats, one with an Inverted Bell?

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Hi,

I have been trying to find some info regarding a pair of Avedis Zildjian 14" Hi-Hat cymbals, I aquired, here in the UK, in the mid to late 70's.

Back then, I bought a second-hand kit privately advertised in my local newspaper. The kit was an inexpensive Maxwin (cheapo by Pearl), and the middle aged seller included a well used '5 Star Super Zyn' Ride (still use it today!), and the afore mentioned used hi-hats. The kit has long gone, but I still have the cymbals.

Heres the hi-hat peculiarity....... the bottom cymbal has an inverted bell! Both top and bottom cymbals have the same Avedis Zildjian stamp, and both weigh the same, at approx 760g (1lb 12oz). The top cymbal has its bell pointing the usual way, and if I turn the lower cymbal upside down the main part mates/fits perfectly with the top cymbal, except now the bell is pointing downwards.

If anyone can shed any light I would be most gratefull, as I have drawn a blank to date. Help2

All the best,

John.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Pics. would help alot !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Are these cymbals, of a lighter weight?

Posted on 12 years ago
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From OddBall

Pics. would help alot !!

Yes, I will post some photos in the next couple days. The missus was away with camera at time of posting.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Without a pic - could it be inside out?

Posted on 12 years ago
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thinking the same thing...needs to be popped out..

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks a lot for your replies so far. I really am intrigued to get to the bottom of this (excuse the pun!)

Hopefully (think I got it right) I am uploading 5 photos showing shots of both cymbals, each cymbal, and each cymbals stamp.

I am quite sure the bottom cymbal has not been tampered with at any time, its shape is just too perfect. I cannot see how the bell could have been inverted after manufacture. Also note that the stamp on the bottom cymbal is on the concave, upwardly looking side, and the top stamp is on the convex, upwardly looking side.

I have accurately weighed each cymbal now, and weights are as follows: top = 766 grams, bottom = 772 grams.

Thanks again for your advice, and look forward to realising the true eventual answer. All the best,

John.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I've had a couple of really light cymbals spontaneously invert. These were in the 500gm. range. It would be difficult for one of this weight to do that but I guess anything is possible. I know one free form professional drummer who sometimes plays a set of light hi-hats with the bottom cymbal deliberately inverted. Played mostly closed they have a unique very defined tone. Perhaps this was the point with these. I'm sure my friend didn't invent this idea.

but I have seen 3 or 4 pictures of cymbals like this over the years too , without knowing anything about them. a couple were mounted at kits, upside down. there is no doubt that the sound of the cymbal is changed dramatically.

Posted on 12 years ago
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cheapo entry level cymbals tend to do this, but this is the first time I've seen it with a Zildjian. Looks like you should be able to pop them back to normal.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From FatherTime

cheapo entry level cymbals tend to do this, but this is the first time I've seen it with a Zildjian. Looks like you should be able to pop them back to normal.

This happened once to the top of my 1950s A Zildjian very thin hats. Just pop it back carefully.

/Magnus

Posted on 12 years ago
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