Hello!
I came across this drum gear bundle and I could not pass it up. In it, these two cymbals were included. The are awesome and sound great.
From what I can tell, the 20" one is from the 60's and the 17" one is from the 50's.
Could you help me confirm this?
Thank you
20"
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[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2463of9.jpg[/IMG]
17”
[IMG]http://i64.tinypic.com/2wo94bm.jpg[/IMG]
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Thank you!
Confirmed. The 20" looks like it is very early 60s based on the visible hammering on the bow, plus the lathing style on both the bell and the bow.
Thank you Zenstat. I appreciate your input.
Just noticed that your 20" also has the word MEDIUM in the font with the sloping out M. That's another sign of early 60s for that particular that MEDIUM ink stamp, although that ink did last until at least the later 60s. Here it is on a Made In Canada
[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/20-medium-dance.png[/img]
This is the Made in Canada trademark which doesn't have the Country of Origin line included. That puts this ink as continuing on until 1968 to early 1970s.
Model ink stamps changed font style later on (not sure what year), although it wasn't until around 1982 that Zildjian added the diameter info underneath. I've started collecting weights for all production eras of cymbals with model ink as part of an effort to document the differences between the different models. If you are able to get a weight for yours (grams or lbs/oz id doesn't matter) I'd love to add that to my data.
Here is a recent compilation for 20" A Zildjian cymbals with model ink and 70s stamp (except where noted on the trademark stamp) in increasing weight order (mostly)
THIN 1620g
THIN CRASH 1695g (60s stamp on this one)
THIN RIDE 1748g; 1755g
THIN 1814g (60s stamp on this one)
THIN CRASH 1944g
MEDIUM THIN 2010g
CRASH RIDE 2080g; 2114g
LIGHT RIDE 2130g
MEDIUM RIDE 2260; 2290g; 2360g; 2380g; 2400g
ROCK RIDE 2550g; 2646g
MEDIUM RIDE 2676g; 2716g (80s) (these are 200g heavier? weighing or data entry error?)
DEEP RIDE 2926g
PING RIDE 2740g (60s stamp); 2850g (80s ink); 3000g; 3030g; 3100g
EARTH RIDE 3675g
Similar compilations are possible for other production eras, but I happened to do this one first in order to answer a specific question about a cymbal with a 70s stamp. Model and weight ink on older (pre 70s) cymbals is pretty rare (due to overzealous cleaning) so I've looked at 83 to get the few with model ink listed above.
I'd love to add your cymbal weight to my data for the next iteration.
Hey, awesome and informative reply. Always great to learn the history about an amazing art.
The cymbal weighs 2042g
Here is a picture of the ink
[IMG]http://i64.tinypic.com/2vab4i1.jpg[/IMG]
I hope this helps with your research.
It is a great help, thank you. I've just put yours into my spreadsheet and I see I've got 3 others (60s era, 20" with MEDIUM ink and a weight) which are 1976g, 2150g and 2090g. There are also 3 which say MEDIUM RIDE and they are 1950g, 2000g, and 2135g. I'm not sure whether the MEDIUM vs MEDIUM RIDE is a proper model distinction or if they just didn't bother to put the RIDE on there sometimes. The two ink stamps were separate and the RIDE was usually just underneath. Bet we know they were separate because the alignment varies from cymbal to cymbal.
So that is 6 out of 141 20" 60s cymbals which have MEDIUM or MEDIUM RIDE ink. I have to go through the rest of the model ink (and all the other diameters and production eras) and tidy up all my model info before I can give a nice overview. But every little bit helps fill out the picture.
My pleasure. Glad I could help.
It is a great help, thank you. I've just put yours into my spreadsheet and I see I've got 3 others (60s era, 20" with MEDIUM ink and a weight) which are 1976g, 2150g and 2090g. There are also 3 which say MEDIUM RIDE and they are 1950g, 2000g, and 2135g. I'm not sure whether the MEDIUM vs MEDIUM RIDE is a proper model distinction or if they just didn't bother to put the RIDE on there sometimes. The two ink stamps were separate and the RIDE was usually just underneath. Bet we know they were separate because the alignment varies from cymbal to cymbal.So that is 6 out of 141 20" 60s cymbals which have MEDIUM or MEDIUM RIDE ink. I have to go through the rest of the model ink (and all the other diameters and production eras) and tidy up all my model info before I can give a nice overview. But every little bit helps fill out the picture.
It seems like the weights have gotten so much heavier since that era Steve. Do you have gram weights for examples of modern 20" medium rides? I know I would be shocked to find one under 2000. The 50s 20" A that I have is right around there and it crashes pretty well when I want to lay into it. I couldn't say the same about the modern mediums I have played.
May I point out that we have a separate section for cymbals?
