The Zildjian weighs in at 7 pounds.It has a slight keyhole and 3 rough holes for rivets. I haven't done anything to the cymbal other than play it.
The Sabian is a HH Manhatten ride and weighs in at 1786 grams.Figure shipping from 94590.
The Zildjian -make an offer
The Sabian -make an offer
Both sound fine,no cracks ,neither have been cleaned in any way by me at least.The Ziljian did have tape on the underside as the residue is still present.Give me a holler if you have any questions.V