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Why was the Ludwig Speed king never copied?

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Hi,

I had the same problem going from a speed king. I decided to go for Axis percussion almost every part is adjustable if you get the higher spec. ones. Also the quality is very good most joints are ball races etc.

Hope this helps

Bruce

Posted on 14 years ago
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Technically all modern bass drum pedals are copies or derivatives of the original Ludwig bass drum pedal from 1909........so that shows you how far pedal design has gone in the past 100 years.....not very far.....

Posted on 14 years ago
#12
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hey ludwig-dude,

"Technically all modern bass drum pedals are copies or derivatives of the original Ludwig bass drum pedal from 1909........so that shows you how far pedal design has gone in the past 100 years.....not very far..... "

I would be inclined to disagree a little. to use the old car analogy it would be like saying - technically all modern cars are copies of that orginal benz or whatever it was. perhaps in rough function, but things have changed a whole lot. i doubt i could play the original ludwig bass drum pedal.

hit hard
Posted on 14 years ago
#13
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From JWG

hey ludwig-dude,"Technically all modern bass drum pedals are copies or derivatives of the original Ludwig bass drum pedal from 1909........so that shows you how far pedal design has gone in the past 100 years.....not very far..... "I would be inclined to disagree a little. to use the old car analogy it would be like saying - technically all modern cars are copies of that orginal benz or whatever it was. perhaps in rough function, but things have changed a whole lot. i doubt i could play the original ludwig bass drum pedal.

Why not? There seem to be as many of those on ebay lately as there are Iron Cobras or speed kings or DW 5000's........and all of them are derivatives of the original Ludwig pedal. If that doesn't testify for the strength of the original pedal then I don't know what does......

Put one of those side by side with whatever pedal made today....there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two. Until someone comes out with some design that is RADICALLY different from whats out there now, all anyone is doing is "refining" the original Ludwig pedal.

Posted on 14 years ago
#14
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From Mike T

Some of the music does yes but more than that some of the licks and fills i have developed over the years require a double pedal and of course when i solo i use double bass drum alot but if i can not find a double pedal i can work with i will just have to get creative with one foot.. :) it just amazes me just like swivo hardware does that it is still so good after all these years unlike me .. LOL

You should try a camco double bass pedal. I use one and i really like it 70s vintage.

Posted on 14 years ago
#15
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I see you point LD,

I guess my question would be - at what point does refining become change?

at what point in the path of evolution does something become radically different if its rough function is always intended to be the same?

hit hard
Posted on 14 years ago
#16
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I agree with Ludwig-dude. Most pedals are surprisingly close to what they were 100 years ago.

Beyond the electronic drum kit, quantization etc, the basics of playing a kit bass drum are much the same as 1909. But so are the basics of tennis, baseball etc. Closer to home, non-electronic musical instruments seem to have been developing by increments rather than revolution.

Developers of revolutionary new instruments have to fit them to our fairly old school body biomechanics.

Patrick

Posted on 14 years ago
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