what do you think Istanbul mehmet attempted (with tony williams tribute series recently expanded)

(I've owned gigged recorded and play old Ks for over 15 years) (and other cymbals owned too)

maybe to a lesser extent- what do you think Avedis Keropes ( the ak bounce and maybe some symphonic Aks) are

what more would you like :)

think mehmet has a 50s series (or the previous 70s) line..

how about the whole entire K series from Avedis since the 70s..some of them sound like old Ks.

The Cindy K Dark Medium 22 for example.

You have to play these (things called) cymbals to hear -once warmed up- how they share similarities.

you got to get them out on the open road and drive them ;)

Moot question. It has already been done multiple times by multiple individuals and companies. The alloys are well understood and documented.

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Alloys

Even when the sonic attributes of these overlap with Old Ks (as judged by a group of listeners in a controlled experiment) there exists a group of drummers who say "nothing sounds like an Old K except an Old K". The feeling persists that nothing is an Old K except an Old K. Rather like nothing is a Stradivarius except a Stradivarius. In controlled experiments from 1817 to 2017 it's the same picture as Old Ks: Listeners can't always tell them apart from other quality violins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stradivarius

With the Stradivarius those who wanted to clone them spent great energy studying the wood density, the varnish, the shape, etc. Sound like the detailed study of Old Ks? It seems to be.

Manufacturing is not answering the call because there isn't value in doing so.

But aren't there other aspects to the old Ks that transcend the sound? They LOOK beautiful, as well...and I don't really SEE any cymbals that look like old K's....wondering about that, as well.

Yes, I realize it all boils down to the cost of doing so....just always figured that regardless of that, someone would try it just...because.

You need to read the first article that I just posted. The explanation is in there. In short there is no secret alloy. All these cymbals are simply plain old B-20.

And also if you read that same article you'll find that several attemps have already been made to do just exactly that, and all have failed miserably.

"In some ways or another O-lugs they're all old Ks.........."

Get it? ...

(ps. some are more 'old K' than others.. (that is all..

but in some overall reality they're "all" "old K"...(or old Zildjian))

the Turkish "zildjian" were the birth the children that came later remain to this day the children that came later.

and there's no shame in that.

that people can be "fooled' by blindfold is no wonder and only reinforces my point... they're all -in some way-- old turkish Zildjians...

even them stinky B8 and B12 and.. (kidding they're Zildjians too ; ) just 'a variant

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"They reverse-engineer them every day" probably right now; a shift is starting somewhere...in about an hour...

I think the basic issue is that Zildjian today cranks out cymbals at an astonishing rate compared to what the Turkish company was able to do. Mass production and assembly line efficiency compared to every stage being rendered by hand. It simply isn't cost effective to remake the old K's the exact same way.

By comparison, the most desired Orchestra Bells in the world are the Deagan "Round Tops" and "Parsifal bells". The were last made in 1929 using 1095 high carbon spring steel and then drop forged to size while red hot. 25 -30 years ago someone I know thought about reproducing those bells again until they were told that the minimum run would have to be 500 lbs of steel costing about $50,000. And that's before tuning one single bar!

And just for the record, Avedis Zildjian typically produces 1000 cymbals a day, but the old K. foundry's goal was just a fraction of that at a mere 100 per cymbals day. So your point is well taken.

And it could be argued that the " cranking out" began (at and "with" Avedis..) long long ago.. from nearly the, inception. Which is "ok". ; ) Progress :) Just not too much of that 'progress" please :) lol. Right, Bill?

hell, it's in that 1949 article! Avedis methods sped things up! compared with Turkey, more automation, etc

to today where it's "hey, watch us computer hammer out a K Dark!!"