There are those who live by a certain etiquette that prevents them from becoming animals at everything they do. Other people are....welllll....lacking etiquette.

There are those who can spell etiquette and those that will take their drums to their limits. Other people are.....well, uhm,...don`t have dents.

there are some pretty good dents on this snare....oh wait, those might be sweat drops.

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Buddy plays an entirely different group. I`m actually learning the jazz thing bit by bit lately.

But onto, If this video comes out, watch the whole thing and you`ll see why things like dents and shoe marks and chopped to hell sticks happens the fun way. This dude`s having a blast and was fun to watch. It`s the kinda sh*t I used to do a lot because we really never landed vocals in our garage band or ever.

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Well said. Drummers who go beyond that point are doing it for reasons other than efficient technique. Swinging your arms like an ape and slamming the sticks into the drum LOOKS cool to (some) audiences regardless of what position it puts the bead of the stick in. But, to do it in the studio, or when sitting in on someone's kit as a guest....nah. Then it's just silly and unnecessary.

Here's the lesson on Dynamics and stick control. He is specific that there is just so much volume that will come out of the drum at about 5:15 on the video:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-z3OUbPsSA"]Buddy Rich's book master class taught by Ted Mackenzie - YouTube[/ame]

Take note of that beautiful Rogers kit in Mardi Gras with beavertails too!

That guy doesn`t get into everything, only what he does. His rim shot is just that, a single rim shot, he says nothing about rim shot with tip of stick, middle of stick, squeezed stick, light grip, wood stick, glass stick, steel stick, hollow stick, solid stick ....all of which wont sound the same, produce different volumes and limits him to his style only.

I`ll close with telling that guy some advice from Buddy,....There`s a lot more to it than that.

As far as decibels go, yes there is a limit to that, but as to how far that cracked note travels, and how long or short it is and how often it is, ..all matter doing solos.

To see what I mean about hard hitting and volume, do like this guy does, use a chop stick first, hit hard and fast, it`ll only go so far, then use a 3M stick, same travel speed, same impact, Anyone anywhere will be able to tell if you`re playing with a chop stick or drum stick.

Chop sicks wont dent heads.

Aren’t you talking about two different things though? Regarding sticks, yes they produce different sounds depending on the mass and shape hitting the drum, but that is not the same factor as how much power you use to ram them down, or in what manner.

Anyway, people can use whatever technique makes them happy and sounds good to them as far as I’m concerned, but it’s just a fact that you can play at top volume and look like you’re sitting still, basically.

No. I object to him saying that`s as loud as it will go. He should say it`s as loud as that stick will let it go. There`s a lot more to it than what he is teaching. His accent is a single chop,...but there`s two stroke chop, three stroke cop, four stroke chop, two stick double stroke chop, and so on.