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Floor-tom shell looks like a late 60's Ludwig???

The drums should all have different serial numbers, not all the same. The only real badge is on the snare. It seems that someone copied that one and made the copy a bit larger for when they used them on the toms. The tom shells do look similar to Ludwig on the inside, but the extra holes where the leg brackets are, are a bit of a concern. They don't look like MIJ shells, but could also be Slingerland shells or even Premier. My bet is on Premier shells that have been modigies with Ludwig hardware. WHY??? Who knows why people do things like this. Anyway you look at it, if they sound good to you then they were worth the price. However, as a re-sale......they are worth pretty much zero.

Yes, the shells do appear to be Ludwigs from the....late 60's -like '68-'69 because they have a maple interior. Any earlier than that, then they would have been painted white over an inner veneer of mahogany. The lugs are correct (both small and large style).

The tom badges are NOT, NOT, NOT original Ludwig badges. Ludwig never made any badge like that -EVER. So, there's absolutely no need to keep asking about the badges. They are fake and that's it.

However, the snare drum is a Supraphonic from 1966 (according to the badge number). So, maybe that's what led you to think the entire set was from 1966. But the round, gray muffler pads would be correct for a late 60's Ludwig tom. The thing that's absolutely not correct is the paint.

My theory (at this point) is that someone didn't like the original finish and decided to add their own "cool" paint job. They wanted to tie the different years of drums together via their own paint scheme. Unfortunately, this happens a lot.

They are 60's Ludwig drums in pretty dicey shape. Almost zero collectible value to them. They are what we call a "player's drum set" -meaning that their inherent value is utilitarian.

Doesn't the baseball bat muffler have that hole spacing?

Bobby,

Yes, but so does the late 60's rotary knob. I just checked both my 1967 baseball bat and my 1969 rotary and they are the same.

300 is an ok price for the kit. It's a players kit.

No. It's a Mod.

However much a person is willing to pay for a modded Ludwig/Premier kit.

It's not from a particular line. It's a piecemeal grouping of Ludwig toms and snare with a Premier bass.

It's a repaint.

Sorry, just felt we needed to revisit the original post and answer the questions. The kit should sound pretty good. You could most likely work the shells back to some semblance of originality...though I wouldn't. You would be flushing money at this point.

I would also add that the extra holes on the floor tom mounts are non-original. The original drill points are the Ludwig holes. You can see the Ludwig large washer mark there that gives an indication this might very well be an original Ludwig tom. Someone added some other goofy mounts and then pulled them off to put back on the Ludwig mounts.

I can't explain the extra holes by the floor tom leg bracket, either. I don't recognize the pattern. Obviously someone had something else there at one time.

The thing that makes me think they are Ludwig shells is that the holes for the tone control fall where they should be on a Ludwig shell. As to whether Slingerland and/or Premier did this same hole spacing and placement? -I'm not sure....but I kinda doubt it. It would certainly be a coincidence if they all did that little detail the same way.

Those badges are just bizarre! Someone went to some trouble to make those -or maybe they came off some kind of promotional advertising item and then recycled as badges? Wow! I have no idea. Theories?

Paperweights ?

Thanks everyone for all answers!

Ok, so, this isn't a genuine ludwig kit. I hope that the bass drum is Premier, the snare is a Supra, and hopely the toms are really Ludwigs. And because of that, because all of them had the same color, obviously this is a repaint.

Although the badges are fake, they are sure look real, only way too big. The fake badges were made with similar material as the snare badge, which is considered original. Wow, that was quite an effort to do.

As for the different floor brackets, my possible theory is that the original bracket was broken, and the person couldn't find any replacement, so he just replaced it with whatever was available.

For collectors, it would be worth zero. For me as a drummer, I actually looking for the quality of the drums, so if it is a mixed up kit, although honestly I'm kind of disappointed, I accept it, it's not a total loss.

I still have questions:

- Nowadays, drum manufacturers are offering many line of drums, starting from entry level kit to top of the line kits. How about back then in the 60s or 70s? Did they only provide one line of drums, like DW in the modern times?

For example, I get a Supra snare from this kit, but is there any entry level Supra back then? If yes, could I be getting the low quality Supra?

The reason I'm asking is, at least I hope the drums that I got are good quality vintage drums.

- The Supraphonic Snare had really rough surface finish. If you touch it, it feels almost like a sandpaper. While I'm searching in the internet and also this forum, all Supraphonic snare shell were smooth and shiny. Is this also a repaint, or did Ludwig actually produce this kind of Supra snare?