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Vintage bass drum

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Hello.

New here on the forum and need som good advice for my restoration project.

I bought an old bass drum from my landlord many years ago. Itv originally had calf skins, but someone broke them. I replaced the calfskine with Remo Ambassador Tympani heads. The sound is incredible as long as the drum is allowed to vibrate freely. Sounds like a concert bass drum. However, I need to dampen the skins a little (too much ring in them).

I am planning to restore the drums. The are painted, and I want to remove the paint. The rims will be repainted dark red, and the shell itself will be sanded down and probably French polished.

I need advice on how to fix a few cracks on the rims. Also, should I risk taking the metal hooks off the rims?

What skin is best for replacing the original calf skin? I am thinking either Remo Nuskyn or Aquarian Vintage.

Last question.What kind of finish should I use? I want top strip the paint off and bring out the wood finish (the hoop will be painted). I was thinking to use French Polish. But maybe regular laquer is better?[IMG]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dvDzOTkRD_0/VuTcF6JLAmI/AAAAAAAADQU/QMIO20R03v4SxNzCwlRCY4lBbCVz2x1Cw/w714-h536-no/2016-03-12.jpg[/IMG]

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Posted on 8 years ago
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Hi and welcome.

Claws: I'd use a little wd40. Let it seep in for a couple of hours and then gently try to remove the claws from the hoop. Maybe using a small hammer gently.

Crack in hoop. I'd remove the loose part. Clean out the holes/cracks/open places with a small drum sander on a dremel (or something similar). Make new pieces of solid wood to fit and glue them in with filling two component glue. Even out with files and sanding paper on a block of wood.

Removing paint: heatgun (carefull!!!) or chemical paintstripper.

Finish: depends on what you'll find underneath the paint. Personally I'd not use french polish. The whole drum is a little battered, and I would keep it like that. The hoops I'd paint witj a brush on purpose, to give some old feel. I would not use paint that is too shiny. The bare wood of the shell might use some water based stain to darken it a lttle? I'd finish with a simple semi-gloss laquer. French polish would make it look to classy, and this is not a classy drum, it's rough one, with sturdy looking claws en rods.

Most of all: If it were mine I would do nothing about it. I'd look for some similar looking beat up single tension drums in 13, 14(snare) and 16 inch and combine a drumkit. I think that would look cool!.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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ps what's the size?

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Posted on 8 years ago
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Thanks for good advise so far. The wood of the drum seems very dry. the shell is thin, and the drum rings like a concert bass drum. Thats the way I want it. I am a percussionist, not a drummer. I use the drum with felt beaters and home made brushes made of straw :)

I was thinking of keeping the beat up look, but just want to make sure is does not deteriorate. I was thinking maybe the wood needs some oil of some kind to make it not dry out, but I am afraid it will destroy the sound.

The size is 26 inches.

Actually, when the original calf skins broke, I discovered the drum was out of shape. I actually had to use a rubber hammer to force the new timpani heads on. Now it seems to be round again :)

I was thinking natural dark wood on the shell and dark red hoops.

There was two metal rings on the shell that I took off since they were loose and ringing. At the back they were connected with a wooden piece of the same kind of wood thet the drum is made of. I french polished one of them to see how it would look.

Image of wood piece (what kind of wood? It is light and had a high pitched sound when I hit it. Seems hard)

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Backside of the same piece treated with French Polish

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What head to use? The timpani heads are actually very nice, but I would like some structure (for the brushes) and a little less overtones (it ring too much so I have to dampen the batter head)

Posted on 8 years ago
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Here are photos of the shell itself. The thickness is 5 mm (0,2 inches)

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This is just a matter of some glue

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Posted on 8 years ago
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Strongly looks like beech.

I belief I may have had one just like yours. It was an oversized 26 inch. I had trouble getting normal 26 inch heads on them. I cut it down to a little les than 26 inch, which was quite a job. It was beech as well and had the same hoops, claws and rods as yours. It was 13 inches deep.

Are you in Europe? Germany?

I eventually used my drum for a custom drums set with a 12 inch rack-tom and a 16 inch floortom, both Sonor champion shells.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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I am in Norway

Posted on 8 years ago
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Next big question. One of the hoops are very bad. Not sure if I casn repair it. Any link to a website showing me how to build a new one? I guess it is a matter of steambending thin wood

Posted on 8 years ago
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not necessarily.

With this diameter you can do it without steambending.

you have to make a round mold. use many clamps and curve plies of wood around it and glue the. actually like ply-drumshells are made.

You could use 4 2,4 mm plys for example.

or 3 plys of 3mm triplex.

etc.

somewhere in this thread there's pictures of 24"hoops I made from 3 plies of oak without steambending.

http://vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=54071

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Posted on 8 years ago
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One more thing that hasn't been mentioned here, I think. Be very careful when removing the paint, especially if you'll be sanding it away. These old paints tend to be quite toxic, so use some sort of filter or a mask and don't just sand it in your living room.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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