Just picked this up today from the local pawn shop, $45.00 CDN. No plans to sell - I like it! Dark and trashy as expected. Was wondering though if I made off with an amazing score or just y'know, whatever. :)
Also, the hole is a bit cracky - where do you get those brass rings/grommets to prevent further cracking? Any info appreciated, thanks!
Mitch
You did good. Truly cheap at twice the price. Or 4 times the price. :)
The median selling price for 16" old Ks is $300 (in rounded figures) with half selling for between $200 and $350. That's based on 28 sales I've recorded in my database in 2014 and 2015 (to date).
What hole cracking? Mine has a problem you can really see:
[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2015/K-Con-Cie-side.jpg[/img]
A close up of yours might help me see just what the state of things is. Not that I'm an expert on cracks and repairs. I've just had a bit of experience with them.
Thank you Steve! Happily I just realized, you're of course talking USD. Not that I want to sell but good to know...I'll get pics of the hole tomorrow. Minor cracks, what you'd call radial I think. Do you just use a huge bottom felt for yours?
This neighbourhood has been good for cymbals - a couple of years ago a nice thin pair of Zildjian hihats showed up at the antique lighting fixture store across the street for $30.00...too bad that place is gone.
Mitch
Here are the pics of the hole as promised. I figure just one of those grommets will work to prevent further damage.
As a side note and to show what a great guy I am, there is a name engraved on the inside of the bell on this cymbal, I searched this name on facebook and found there is a drummer in my area by that name, so I messaged him and asked if he'd lost or had had stolen any gear recently, and if so to identify it. Obviously I'm hoping for crickets or a "no", but if it goes the other way I'll get my $45 back and not feel like a creep....which is worth all the money in the world! :)
Mitch
See Cym,,
I have a 70s 16 crash with the same Center hole...
It won't crack any further...
Been playing mine like that for over 10yrs,,.
Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.
See Cym,,I have a 70s 16 crash with the same Center hole...It won't crack any further...Been playing mine like that for over 10yrs,,.
Thanks good to know. I have another 16" with similar cracks and it has held up too.
I won't be using this old K for rock anyway. Started working on a "chill" project which will be all about groove and melody/emotion, no bombast or obscene volume allowed, and no bar gigs. Just in time, too....:)
Mitch
Those small cracks should be fine. Just don't clamp down the tightener on top and then really whack it. :) That's if you use a tightener on top.
You may find that the mounting hole is a bit smaller than the modern standard 1/2". It would have started out with a smaller one, but the hole may have already been enlarged to fit the plastic sleeve size on modern stands.
And yes, US Dollars. I should have converted it all to Canadian, but I got lazy.
Those small cracks should be fine. Just don't clamp down the tightener on top and then really whack it. :)
I pictured doing that and it made me laugh out loud. Felt simply rests on top, no clamping at all...
You may find that the mounting hole is a bit smaller than the modern standard 1/2". It would have started out with a smaller one, but the hole may have already been enlarged to fit the plastic sleeve size on modern stands.
Yep she's there already, on a stand with the larger of the two nylon sleeve designs available. The shape is a rounded square, and it is ~not centered~ ...suggesting the possibility of a bad job lol.
And yes, US Dollars. I should have converted it all to Canadian, but I got lazy.
Oh no no no. It was fun to do that in my head. :) Seriously though, I'm not going to grow too attached to this thing right away - who would legitimately sell this thing at a pawn shop for 20 dollars? We'll see...
Mitch
Ebay listing 130998200118 from grommets...
Cheers
Your eBay item number as a clickable link grantro:
electrical junction box grommets << click
These are 1/2" electrical junction box grommets. Soft rubber which lets them slip into place. They won't work on older cymbals which have holes less than 1/2". I've used them on cymbals which do have 1/2" holes such as this old Avedis. Here's an illustrated example:
[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2014/grommet-out.jpg[/img]
[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2014/grommet-in.jpg[/img]
The rubber grommets do reduce the inner diameter available to fit over the plastic insert, so you may not be able to use some stands with the modern one piece plastic cymbal protectors. You can get around that, but the down side is that if you want to use your cymbals on backline kits you might need to bring your own "retro" cymbal protectors as well as your own cymbals. I found I had to switch to the "retro" curved metal washer style. That goes on first, then felt, then cymbal, then top felt (optional). You don't need any plastic on the shaft itself because the grommet handles that. If you have retro posts (6mm vs 8 mm) then you can optionally add one of the thinner plastic sleeves. And I've seen online (but not purchased) some 6mm but otherwise modern one piece cymbal protectors.
Here is a different approach I haven't tried yet. These are for tarps and tents (in brass) and have a separate part which locks in place:
tarp grommets << click
Since I haven't tried these I'm not sure how much they reduce the effective inner diameter. Maybe somebody else has experience with these.
