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To rivet or not to rivet? That is the question.

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Did a quick search and didn't find anything posted previously, so sorry if this has been posted before.

I have a nice 60's A Zildjian 22" ride on the lighter side. I only play ride cymbals in my set-up and I usually like to have one in the mix that is a sizzle ride. I've been finding lately that sometimes I want the aforementioned ride to be the sizzle ride, but alas, she hath no rivets.

I know I've griped about people modifying or "upgrading" vintage gear, but I'm kind of wanting to hear the sizzle on this one.

What would you do? Drill it or leave it?

If drill, how many holes would you suggest? I usually just do 3 holes together with about 2 inches space between.

Go!

'56 Slingerland Krupa Set - Sparkling Gold Pearl
60's WFL Orphans Club Date - Black/Gold Duco (20/13/15)
Posted on 9 years ago
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Given that it isn't a rare cymbal, I'd say it is your cymbal so drill it if it pleases you. It is a working musical instrument not a museum object.

Opinions vary on this so I'll be interested to see what others think.

Oh, and what is the weight by the way? As you'll see from my other post I'm a serious collector of data. Pounds and ounces are fine, but grams are good. And if it turns out "on the lighter side" means 2000g to you then I reserve the right to rethink my opinion about rarity and drilling it. ;)

Posted on 9 years ago
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I've used one of these for decades on my 22" ride. Works great...flip it down for sizzle, flip it up for no sizzle.

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Gary G.
1963 Ludwig Gold Sparkle Hollywood Kit
Ludwig Collection: 10 Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Customized Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Vintage Foot Pedals, 1 Single Value Bugle
Posted on 9 years ago
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Not sure the weight on it. I don't have a scale. I only have one cymbal that I know the weight, only because it's marked, and it's 2376g. Doing a comparison holding one in each hand, it's a little heavier, but not much. I can see it wobble when I play it & I can flex it pretty easily. I have no reference point for grams, but maybe it's around 2500-2600g.

'56 Slingerland Krupa Set - Sparkling Gold Pearl
60's WFL Orphans Club Date - Black/Gold Duco (20/13/15)
Posted on 9 years ago
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From zenstat

Given that it isn't a rare cymbal, I'd say it is your cymbal so drill it if it pleases you. It is a working musical instrument not a museum object. Opinions vary on this so I'll be interested to see what others think.Oh, and what is the weight by the way? As you'll see from my other post I'm a serious collector of data. Pounds and ounces are fine, but grams are good. And if it turns out "on the lighter side" means 2000g to you then I reserve the right to rethink my opinion about rarity and drilling it. ;)

Agree completely. Now it it was a Trans stamp, that would be a different matter.

Mark
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Posted on 9 years ago
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Well, just to be certain, here's a pic. Measures 1 3/16".

'56 Slingerland Krupa Set - Sparkling Gold Pearl
60's WFL Orphans Club Date - Black/Gold Duco (20/13/15)
Posted on 9 years ago
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Pic! Forgot to hit upload! Doh!

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'56 Slingerland Krupa Set - Sparkling Gold Pearl
60's WFL Orphans Club Date - Black/Gold Duco (20/13/15)
Posted on 9 years ago
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You could try one of those sizzle chain things that attach under the wing nut and lays on top of the cymbal first to see if you like the sound.

Steve

1967 Slingerland 12,13,16,20 White Satin Flame
1968 Slingerland 12,14,16,20 Light Blue Pearl
Posted on 9 years ago
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This is a most riveting thread....;)

If you are going ahead with the rivets then I suggest to do it away from the established strike area of the cymbal. (Eg: the current low spot on the cymbal that it naturally rotates to). Four rivets placed at 3,4,8, & 9 o'clock should then retain the balance of the cymbal.

This avoids unwanted stick contact with rivets, which I always find annoying..

Cheers

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 9 years ago
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Try this when deciding on the hole locations. Put the cymbal in the stand so it's flat. Hit the cymbal with your thumb or a mallet or whatever. Now take the stick tip and let it rest on the cymbal up by the bell. Slowly pull it away from the bell and when it starts to bounce a lot you've found where rivets will work well. You want those rivets in a spot that will rattle them easily. This is usually about 2" or 2 1/4" inward from the edge depending on the cymbal.

Steve

1967 Slingerland 12,13,16,20 White Satin Flame
1968 Slingerland 12,14,16,20 Light Blue Pearl
Posted on 9 years ago
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