This drums made in our hey day we’re not to be beat on like some of those commercial’s you see on tv

they were suppose to played with a nice meter not with those horrible aluminum sticks either that took your heads out in a few beats or dented your hoops ,

The added weight of head bagging music just destroyed the locks and pushed them on there resting place the bd or snare I’ve seen rash so bad it was through the wrap

I gave up trying to find Answers

that’s why when you see a kit clean you know it was a old timer that played them and you have to snag them even if there at 3k …..

My 2 cents

I've resisted posting another of my pet peeve issues with mistreatment of great old drums until now. I just couldn't hold it back any longer. There are VERY FEW drum sets that look good to me that were originally wrapped or painted at the factory, and then stripped, sanded, and stained or clear-coated. In my opinion, re-wrapping or repainting these drums does justice to them. They were originally wrapped or painted in non-see-thru colors because the outer ply was not of finish grade wood. Rogers drums outer ply of wrapped and painted shells was notoriously a quite ugly mix of different color pieces of wood. If you think that a stripped, sanded, and stained drum looks appealing, I must disagree with you.

The mod squad get my gears grinding.

Who cares what hardware was brought in for the project, the fact that it was a ‘mod’ is what irks me, rewraps I can understand as the shell is needing refreshed.

Whether it be a 12x15 concert to floor tom conversion, hardware from another manufacturer, drilling holes, etc…

I have restrained myself from posting on this thread because I am partially guilty...but I have a lot of mixed emotions about this. I fitted a swiv-o-matic cymbal mount and bass drum spurs on a 28" blue and olive badged Ludwig bass drum. It was a concert drum, it had no mounts or spurs. At least now its usable for me and its WAY cool! In many cases as new and more robust hardware came out back in the day...people modded their drums too. Off the top of my head, Ginger Bakers silver sparkle set had swiv-o-matic hardware and I know there are more. George Way drums were often also sold with swiv-o-matic hardware from the factory as was Camco (arguably not a "mod" then, but I digress). You could easily say that in the early 60's, Rogers hardware was the modern day Pearl hardware...it was everywhere.

I restored some Sonor teardrops for a friend. The first thing he wanted was Pearl bass drum spurs. When I restored it, it got all original hardware and a bass drum hoop claw. He said it won't work, he needs the Pearl legs because the bass drum moves. I showed him how to set it up using the claw and factory spurs and guess what...it don't move. My argument is, was, and always will be if John Bonham didn't complain about his bass drum walking around using vintage hardware....nobody else should. If he could figure it out, so can you (minus the old nailing the hoop to the stage trick...LOL!!!). I think sometimes people missed out on learning how to use vintage gear, or simply look to continue emulating who they did when they were young.

On the other side of that coin, I believe it should be stated nobody is talking about drilling in a one of one left drum. These are typically common run of the mill production shells that can still be found everywhere today. If a piece is legitimately rare (not uncommon, not valuable, not I wish it was rare....I mean honestly rare)....then yeah don't drill it. Find someone to trade or sell your rare piece and buy something that fits your needs. If anyone really wants to get upset about modifying or even trashing gear that is now appreciated, look at Tweed era Fender amps. Through the 70s and into the 80s people painted them black to look like modern amps, ripped out the old Jensen speakers, cut the cabinets up, tore the tweed off, and ultimately just trashed them. Into the 90s you couldn't give a Tweed away. I have seen pictures of music stores with 40-50 Tweed Fenders piled up outside because people didn't care about them (same with Tweed era Gibsons too....BTW). Now...a Tweed Bassman is considered the holy grail of amplifiers and fetches north of $6,000. Its a small example of how one generations trash or tools of the trade becomes another generations treasure.

Ha! that was me whom said that, but I think I said 70’s and 80’s, or something like that. But I’d have to agree, that the parts strippers are the second worst. I honestly don’t know who buys those parts for those ridiculous prices.

Scanning eBay, I almost get sick when I hit a block of auctions from some sellers. There's the hoops. There's the badge. There's the tuning rod. There's the shell. Rinse and repeat for the entire kit.

Of course, what really galls me is when I need a part and no one has any that weren't obviously parted out from otherwise fine drums. (And to be clear, my issue isn't parting things out. It's a necessary evil. My issue is people who buy perfectly playable drums to strip. I know parts have to come from somewhere, but you don't need to destroy otherwise useable kits to get them.)

Hi Rob! Yep, that's my beef!!

-Mark

I also wish that people wouldn't take a perfectly good kit and disassemble it for parts. But, on the other hand, not everyone cares about drums. Sometimes, people who find a set at a garage sale or whatever, will just see it as a cash cow to flip for profit. And if profit is the focus, then people will part them out. Plus, it's MUCH easier for sellers to ship a drum set out a piece at a time, instead of all at once. Packing is MUCH easier! :) I don't condone it because I have a bias.....but I do understand why it's done. It would be better if all the parts come from drums that have been damaged beyond repair and are being salvaged, instead of taking an intact, complete kit and disintegrating it.

Could not agree more... & shudder whenever I see that trend slipping thru the postings on this forum....

Cheers

John

Well said!!

-Mark