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Suspicious about Ludwig Supraphonic

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Hi, first post on this here forum.. glad I found you.

I just purchased a Ludwig Supraphonic on eBay for around $125. It's the 400 model. I did a fair amount of research about the Supras regarding year, badges, and other signs of vintage. However, I think in my excitement I might have blown this one.

The drum came today and looks like a reissue. I will follow this post with some pics. For starters, however, I'll post a few questions if you care to help me identify the year.

First off, the inside of the shell is stamped with what I can only assume is the number "024." That's my first hint.

Second, though all the lug mounting holes are cleanly drilled, the holes for the strainer and butt plate have burrs on the inside. I would have thought even a new Ludwig would have been drilled out better and cleaned up.

Third, the badge is keystone with a 7-digit serial #3292627. So, it's out of range for the drums produced thru 1979 according to one site I visited. It's also not a brass keystone, but looks more like plastic or stamped aluminum and it is glued on as well as secured (rather loosely) by the air vent, which rattles around a lot. The badge says Monroe, N.C. U.S.A.

There is pitting, and no magnetism, so it's chromed aluminum.

Also the lugs look like real Imperials but there are gaps between them and the bulge. Another sign of a reissue, I believe.

It has a dial-style damper... looks legit.

Rims and strainer are not Ludwig that I can tell.

Now, I'm really not that interested in collecting... I just want that Ludalloy Supra sound. But, I was hoping for an original-style shell...

Think I got taken?

Posted on 17 years ago
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is it the badge at the bottom of this page?

Click Here

David

Posted on 17 years ago
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Quoted post

is it the badge at the bottom of this page?Click HereDavid

yup... and if it takes, here are some pics as promised...

Posted on 17 years ago
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well i couldn't upload the pics for some reason... but that's it. a post-80 reissue... So I wonder if I should be too upset about it. I suppose it will sound like a supra properly headed and tuned, and may even look decent with a cleaning. But it may be a thinner shell then, and what do you think of its playability?

Posted on 17 years ago
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FWIW, I paid the exact same amount for a reissue from 1998. It has a Remo Renaissance head on top and sounds excellent. I prefer it easily to my pre-serial # aluminum shelled Supra, which to be fair has a coated Ambassador.

In fact, I use it with a Beatles cover band. It has a "vintage" sound to it, even though Ringo never used a Supra.......go figure.

Dan

Posted on 17 years ago
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I see now I have to host my images... perhaps later. Let's see if this works:

http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a5/5b/67cf_3.JPG

http://i5.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a5/5b/8844_3.JPG

http://i6.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a5/5b/9164_3.JPG

I cleaned and polished it last night and it looks really nice. An Evans G2 and a Bozzio snare side and it sounds great, and I really didn't spend much time tuning it.! I brought out my favorite custom snare and my Yamaha birch recording custom and the Ludwig stands up well in sound.

I just might keep it anyway. Hopefully I can find a deal on a blue/olive badge another time. Live and learn, I guess.

-b

Posted on 17 years ago
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$125 is a fair price for what you got.

Gary

Dix Hills, NY

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Posted on 17 years ago
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