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Strange little Ludwig

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Hi...I'm new here and need some help from you all...

I’ve got the strangest Ludwig snare I’ve ever seen.

Judging from the hardware, I’m guessing around 1920s or so, but the shell is made of some sort of fiberboard with what appears to be an enamel finish on the outside. If Ludwig ever made a toy drum back then, this might be one, but it’s a cool “toy” if that’s the case. It’s a 3 ½” x 12” shell, with five snares that appear to be steel wire wrapped around something like catgut. I tried to match the badge, and its not on the badge page but it comes closest to the one marked “Not sure where I got this badge!”, except this one says Ludwig with the words “trade mark” between the line connecting the L and G in Ludwig. Under that it says “Made in U.S.A.”, badge is gold color with red lettering held to the shell with two small brads. The only badge I ever saw like this one was on a 1920s wood block currently on eBay.

No markings on the inside at all. Hardware’s worn and the five “lugs” (essentially a long bolt with rim hooks on either end…a wing at the bottom and a standard hex nut on top) are plated steel. The knob and body of the vertical strainer adjustment knob (no throwoff) seem to be brass while the clamp holding the snares is steel. The heads appear to be newer, and the rims are both painted wood of the same off-white color as the shell. The hole in the shell has a large plastic (bakelite?) rivet of sorts in it, with the badge directly above.

I took several pictures, but the system says they're too large to upload. Any help with uploading would be appreciated, too.

Has anyone ever heard of (or seen) a fiberboard Ludwig like this?

Best regards to all...

...Jamesy

Posted on 14 years ago
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Sounds like a 1940's "Juvenile" drum:

[IMG] http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/ludwig_snaredrums/41_ludwig_snare_drums4.jpg[/IMG]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Use a graphics program to "resize" your pictures to less than 146kb (jpg) and less than 1000 pixels wide then post the pics so we can see. I have a mid 20s Juvenile, but it's wood, not fiberboard.

Gary G.
1963 Ludwig Gold Sparkle Hollywood Kit
Ludwig Collection: 10 Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Customized Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Vintage Foot Pedals, 1 Single Value Bugle
Posted on 14 years ago
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I recently made an offer on a white juvenile drum on Ebay, but I guess my offer was too low -even though there were no other bids/offers and it didn't sell.

I have two juvenile Ludwig drums -both maple.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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O-Lugs...you've got it spot on with the picture! That's my Juvenile! I'm still trying to master shrinking pictures to an acceptable level so I can share it with you.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Think I finally got the hang of shrinking pictures. See what you think.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Based on the catalogs, the 1939-1940 Ludwig Juvenile shell is "maple in its natural grain", while the 1941 shell is "handsomely white lacquered as are the maple counter hoops". Seems like if the shell was still maple in 1941, they'd still be bragging about it in 1941. This model disappears during the war years, so I'm placing my best guess as a 1941 Juvenile...thanks for all the help, guys!

Posted on 14 years ago
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I agree 100%, Jamesy.

It's a quite unusual drum. Thanks for sharing!Burger Kin

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Posted on 14 years ago
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