Weren't UFIP and Zanki stencil cymbal factories? Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can be trusted to be what it seems on the "cover". "Made in" is a con job-

Zanki (Zanchi) was one of the original five involved in the UFIP coalition. Actually there were two Zanchi brothers involved. One left and started his own Zanchi Fioro and Figli [sp] which means Zanchi and Sons. A grandson of one of the other originals also left in '73 and started Tosco. I personally am not aware of Zanchi ever making cymbals with other brand names on them. Tosco did. UFIP did. Pasha for Rogers, Ajaha for Gretsch, some B8 cymbals called kashian Pro for Slingerland and Atlas Pro and Pro II lines that were imported by Ludwig for the U.S. market. I am a little hesitant to attribute all the cymbals included on that "Rosetta Stone" of cymbal makers passed around as all being UFIP made and here is why. The UFIP guys were not the only cymbal foundry in Italy during the mid-1900's. In fact, I was having an old cymbal analyzed by UFIP as to whether this cymbal with no company stamp was theirs or not. The response that I received from Alberto Biasei was that he was unable to confirm it was theirs, simply by the "Made In Italy" stamp. He said that between the years of 1940 and 1960, there were a half dozen cymbal foundries in Italy, all of which used this same country stamp. He also indicated that the cymbal in question was definitely NOT rotocast, which possibly throws another monkey wrench into the theory by some that UFIP didn't rotocast until the 80's, but that is for another thread.

Paiste made Ludwig Standard cymbals. Tosco made the B20 line for Sabian back before there really was a Canadian line. Stencil lines definitely are nothing new.

There were also made in Canada, Tosco cymbals. I have one. I could never figure out the Sabian B 20 cymbals----what their point was. The Sabian factory was founded in 1981 and was in production, right from the getgo,presumably , because they had been making Zilcos, A's and K's for 13 years or so. Perhaps it was to give Tosco a shot in the arm , since by then, Sabian owned the company.

I believe that under the terms of the divorce Sabian weren't allowed to sell outside of Canada (or not in the USA which hurts just as much) for a two years. See Pinksterboer, The Cymbal Book p151.

It is possible that the Tosco cymbals helped the transition -- gave Sabian something to sell. There are other passages which give the ownership structure and relationship between Robert Zildjian and Tosco which changed over time.