I'm wondering if anyone might be able to give me some "value" guidance for a 14" x 16" Stage Band floor tom that is in fair condition at best. There is some cracks in the wrap. I'm ok with that because I plan to have it re-wrapped in white marine pearl if I can find a close representation of the mid 1970's Slingerland wmp wrap. Both rims are triple flanged, not the stick savers that are on my existing kit. I would have to buy some stick saver rims to replace those. Some of the tension rods are not appropriate either and would need to be replaced. Clearly this thing will require some work. But the shells themselves look to be in good shape based on the pictures. Can anyone venture to put a value range on the drum from low to high? Much appreciated.
Slingerland Stage Band
We would need to see pictures in order to make any kind of evaluation.
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Here are some pics of the drum, the pitted lug and the split wrap.
Doesn't look too bad. The legs are unoriginal....they should be straight legs (At least they are on my Stage Band).
Considering the buyer's market, I would say $100-$125 would be fair, maybe less, considering condition. If it were Ludwig, Rogers or Gretsch, you would probably pay double. I don't know why Slingerland doesn't get the love that the others get.
To give some context, there is a local guy here on Craigslist selling a Stage Band in ok/fair condition (much like the one you have shown pictures of-12/13/16/18/22) for $400. And it's been out there for days now.
As an aside, I have a Slingerland Modern Solo (double lug) from 1966 in BDP in great shape, all original, no extra holes etc, 12/13/16/20 and I can't give them away! I had them priced at $750 and had ZERO interest. I bet if they had been Rogers, they wouldn't have lasted an hour!
A 14" would command a higher price these days, at least I think. Good luck!
It looks to be 16" diameter and 14" deep. I think that drum makers--especially Slingerland would use shells intended for marching snares, tenor drums,and tymp-toms to make floor toms for Stage band series drum sets. If that drum were 14" in diameter and 16" deep, it would be worth much more on the market.
Doesn't look too bad. The legs are unoriginal....they should be straight legs (At least they are on my Stage Band).Considering the buyer's market, I would say $100-$125 would be fair, maybe less, considering condition. If it were Ludwig, Rogers or Gretsch, you would probably pay double. I don't know why Slingerland doesn't get the love that the others get.To give some context, there is a local guy here on Craigslist selling a Stage Band in ok/fair condition (much like the one you have shown pictures of-12/13/16/18/22) for $400. And it's been out there for days now. As an aside, I have a Slingerland Modern Solo (double lug) from 1966 in BDP in great shape, all original, no extra holes etc, 12/13/16/20 and I can't give them away! I had them priced at $750 and had ZERO interest. I bet if they had been Rogers, they wouldn't have lasted an hour!A 14" would command a higher price these days, at least I think. Good luck!
Interesting that you say Stage Band floor tom legs should be straight. My kit was given to me by my parents in 1975. They bought them brand new from Manny's Music in NYC. The legs on my 14" floor tom are curved at the bottom much like these so I'm inclined to think they could be original. But the guy who's selling them has done so much wrong with trying to update them after he bought the full kit that they may not be original. More importantly, I can't live with them in that condition so I would find some OEM legs on eBay or Reverb and replace them. If your valuation is accurate, then i have already offered him more than it is worth at $175. But here's the thing. I have never before seen a Stage Band kit with a 16" diameter floor tom. Until now I had always been under the impression that Stage Band kits only had 14" floor toms. Obviously I'm wrong about that but one thing is certain.....16" Stage Band floor toms are pretty rare. Much more rare than the 14" ones. Which leads me to believe that they are worth far more than $125. Looking at floor toms in general online it is not uncommon to see them going for $200, $300 and even $400. I am seriously considering going back to him and offering him more. I don't like to negotiate against myself but I might offer $200, only $20 less than what he said he would take. I think it would be cool to have a 6 piece Stage Band kit. I think the biggest challenge would be in finding a white marine pearl wrap that matches the coloring and chip size of my existing kit.
Hi MntnMan62!
Let me throw in my :2Cents: here! If you look at many of the Slingerland catalogs from the 60's and early 70's, the Stage Band set was pictured with a 12x15 floor tom! However, the 12x15 was dropped in the later 60's and the standard floor tom was the 14x14...even though the pictured set clearly showed a 12x15! The list for the set clearly showed it was a 14x14, though!
In the 1969 and later catalogs, the only available Stage Band floor toms were the 14x14 and 14x16, with the "16" being the head size, not the depth. Why no 16x16 Stage Band floor tom? Simple...they didn't have longer tension rods to allow for that depth! That, plus having tension rods that long just looked wrong!
As to the curved legs on the tom, they are original Slingerland. The curved legs replaced the straight legs sometime at the end of 1967. Most straight legs, with no knurling, were designed for use with the "push-button" leg mount casings and the older style leg mounts that used a captured-bolt wing nut. The new "curved" legs made use of knurling at the top to allow the large wing bolt to better grip the leg. However, Slingerland, like every other major drum manufacturer, would use up old legs first. My 1967 Slingerland set has a 16x16 floor tom with factory straight legs, but with the new 590 mount that uses a large T screw!
In terms of the two different sizes, both can be considered "rare". The 14x14 was the standard size for the Stage Band set, but many drummers who wanted a Stage Band would order the set with 9x13 and 14x16 toms...and even a 14x22 bass drum! Many "catalog" Stage Band sets had 9x13 and 14x14 toms. I even have pictures of Stage Band sets with 8x12, 9x13, 14x16 toms and a 14x20 bass drum!
Hope this information helps you out!
-Mark
Hi MntnMan62!Let me throw in my :2Cents: here! If you look at many of the Slingerland catalogs from the 60's and early 70's, the Stage Band set was pictured with a 12x15 floor tom! However, the 12x15 was dropped in the later 60's and the standard floor tom was the 14x14...even though the pictured set clearly showed a 12x15! The list for the set clearly showed it was a 14x14, though!In the 1969 and later catalogs, the only available Stage Band floor toms were the 14x14 and 14x16, with the "16" being the head size, not the depth. Why no 16x16 Stage Band floor tom? Simple...they didn't have longer tension rods to allow for that depth! That, plus having tension rods that long just looked wrong!As to the curved legs on the tom, they are original Slingerland. The curved legs replaced the straight legs sometime at the end of 1967. Most straight legs, with no knurling, were designed for use with the "push-button" leg mount casings and the older style leg mounts that used a captured-bolt wing nut. The new "curved" legs made use of knurling at the top to allow the large wing bolt to better grip the leg. However, Slingerland, like every other major drum manufacturer, would use up old legs first. My 1967 Slingerland set has a 16x16 floor tom with factory straight legs, but with the new 590 mount that uses a large T screw!In terms of the two different sizes, both can be considered "rare". The 14x14 was the standard size for the Stage Band set, but many drummers who wanted a Stage Band would order the set with 9x13 and 14x16 toms...and even a 14x22 bass drum! Many "catalog" Stage Band sets had 9x13 and 14x14 toms. I even have pictures of Stage Band sets with 8x12, 9x13, 14x16 toms and a 14x20 bass drum!Hope this information helps you out!-Mark
Thanks Mark. My own experience with Stage Band kits is from the era that mine came from. Mid 1970's. So, with all of this known, what would you venture to guess would be reasonable value RANGE for the 16" diameter x 14" depth floor tom above given it's condition?
Angled legs are correct for a 70's floor tom. Your offer for that floor tom is more than fair. You are likely to be 'upside down' on that tom once you replace the non-original/bad parts and do a re-wrap. You are also correct in that you will not be able to match the original Slingerland WMP. I would advise holding out for a nice original drum in WMP or a cheaper project drum, they are out there.
Just looked through my computer and found this original 4pc Stage Band set from 1965-66. Wrapped in original Sparkling Pink Pearl! Sizes are 9x13/12x15 toms, 14x20 bass drum and 5.5x14 snare drum. Check out the tom holder! The straight legs are used with push-button casings, but the buttons appear to be missing!
-Mark
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