I'm curious about that 16" late 50s cymbal. In the picture from the top it looks like it has a flange (which would make it a flange model) yet in profile there isn't a flange showing. Is the flange in the top photo just a trick of the light and there isn't one there at all? Or is there a flange and for some reason the profile photos doesn't show it? The profile photo wouldn't happen to be the Sabian HH 16" from a slightly different angle?

Thanks in advance.

Hi Zenstat, thanks for your reply. While I do have a 14" Canadian Zildjian flange bottom (that I truly appreciate your advice on in a separate thread) this 16" hi hat bottom is just a trick of the light as you mentioned.

The side profile is for the same 16" 50's Zildjian, but to your point that's why I wanted to add that side shot because my camera flash made it seem as though it had a flange.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I've been tricked by a few photos which look like a flange is present. May I add you photos to my archive as an example of how the eye can be tricked please? Your 16" does have a lot of hammering showing at the outer edge which was another reason I was wondering.

Oh, and the reason I try and spot flanges in photos is that there is a Flange ride model and a Be Bop ride model, both of which had flanges. I hadn't ever seen one, but one finally showed up in Japan and I saved the images. 22" Trans Stamp type IV so early 1950s. Most people don't even know they exist.

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/22-flange-top.png[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/22-flange-stamp.png[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/22-flange-bot.png[/img]

Yes, this was decades before the Sabian Sound Control, which is the only ride with a flange which most people know about.

I would be honored to have one of my cymbals included in your guide, it’s such a phenomenal resource for data driven analysis... especially how you cut the data for the box and whisker plot graphs!