All you need is a ten-hole 1.6 mm chrome over steel triple flange rim to get you up and running. There were some slight differences between an old Ludwig rim and a new generic one, but not much. You might also find a vintage ten-hole rim, too. They are not uncommon.

You probably DON'T want a die-cast rim, as they will change the sound of the drum and they are considerably more expensive.

You can also get a new 2.3 mm rim, too -these are quite "standard" nowadays.....and it will work, but the new 1.6 mm rims are closer to the original Ludwig ones.

Thanks, that's great.

Do you have any experience of Stagg rims? My dealer says he can order a hoop for £15, whereas a new Ludwig rim would be closer to £40. I thought I might get the cheap one for now and keep an eye out for a vintage rim... Any thoughts on how a Stagg rim would effect the sound?

Not really sure about Stagg, but I think it's a kind of "stencil" brand from China (where everything is made!), so I would imagine they are essential generic rims. It may be exactly like the new Ludwig rims. I'm not sure.

It sounds like a good plan to go with the inexpensive rims to get you going and then look for vintage one on EBay when it comes up. Good luck in yur quest. I'm sure you will love the drum!

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Just find out if the Stagg is a 2.3 mm or not. You don't wanna go with a 2.0 mm, that'd be too lightweight. A 2.3 is a nice hefty hoop and sonically/structurally it will be fine.

I think you have a good plan...get an inexpensive generic to keep the drum playing, and be on the lookout (eFlay) for a vintage one. 10-holes never go for that much money, even an original Luddy one.[/COLOR]

Hmmmm.... I've been thinking of a similar question, as I need a snare side hoop for my old Ludwig Standard snare.

But now i are a bit confoosed :confused:

I read here [O-Lugs] that the "new 1.6mm rims are closer to the original..." rims - Is this true for the '68 - '72 Standard series?

In Ludwig's older "Replacement Parts" catalog, they list hoops for 1.9mm & 2.3mm - [the 14" 1.9mm's are P-26432-R snare side & P-21362-R for batter]

Jaye, you mention "You don't wanna go with a 2.0 mm, that'd be too lightweight." Do you mean this just for the Supraphonic?

My cloudiness on this is from both the 1.6mm quote (should this be 1.9mm?)

and from Jaye's warning against using 2.0mm (essentially 1.9mm?).

I guess I have 2 questions here really: 1) What is an acceptable replacement for an old Standard? 2) Does the hoop not being Ludwig - old or new - effect its vintage status - ? (i'd think so) - And 2) Were the Standard hoops COB or just steel or ???

Yeah, only 2 questions ;)

You can always try Todd at Ontario Music in California. He was the Artist Rep for Ludwig for years and he owns the store now. He is a Ludwig dealer, does some repairs and always has some parts up his sleeves. He sells on Ebay and has some neat kits come through.

Oops, just noticed your in Europe, shipping might be costly..

"2.0" is actually 1.6. That's the ones you want because that's what the originals were. You CAN use a 2.3 mm style, too. But the originals were 1.6 It's up to you. Burger Kin

Some of the early rims were COB or NOB, but by 1970, they were COS.

You want a COS 1.6 (often listed a "2.0")mm 10-hole rim. I've not seen them listed as "1.9", but maybe that's what they are calling the 2.0 one, now. In any case, you want the lighter of the two choices. That's the closest one to Ludwig's originals.

Yes. A non-original rim will affect the collectible status -but not by much if the rest of the drum is nice.

Great Inf-O-Lugs x-mas3

- (though i dont know why 2.0 is really 1.6 - hmmm... is that an actual caliper measurement vs. "listed" measurement?)

~ nevertheless - good answers.

Here's the Ludwig Replacement Parts Catalog pdf. link - idk what year this came out - it seems to reach back pretty far: http://www.ludwig-drums.com/pdf/av1453.pdf

Page 38 has the hoops & mm's list.

I don't know if these numbers [part #'s & mm's] mesh with the recent old days - but it's the only one I've seen. Perhaps if anyone has older, they could x-check specs. It'd be nice to know what the original '60s - '70s specs were [part no.s / mm's].

I've bought a hoop or two on eBaby sold as vintage Ludwig - maybe they were, but they seemed too squeaky new to be 40 years old. They are *close* to my original ones & are allegedly OEM - still just as stick wackable D' Drummer