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Removing Paint from the Interior of a drum shell

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Hey Y'all,

I haven't been on here much lately. The weather is so hot and dry here in Texas, I just dont feel like going out to my drum shop and sweating. I recieved a email this morning from a relativly new member that is quite fascinating. He was inquiring about removing paint from a shell interior on some luddy's. The email was so interesting i thought i'd share it with everyone on here. he seems like a very intelligent and knowledgable guy. The info he emailed me is worth sharing with everyone.

hey poppy! how are ya?

I've noticed some of your posts where you've removed paint from a wrap but would you know what the best way to remove paint from a maple interior would be? (i'm thinking about using that 3M stuff that you used to remove the paint from the wrap.)

And my second question is: on the clear maple interiors from 1968 onwards, it seems that there was some kind lacquer/veneer/shellac/polyurethane/something finish on the interior ply. Do you know what this substance was?

So! My main mission is to remove the paint from the interior. I figured that there's a couple of ways to do it:

1. Sand (i'm not to keen on this)

2. Use methylated spirits/acetone/that 3M stuff you used/a paint stripper of some kind (this disadvantage of this is it is likely to remove BOTH the white paint AND that lacquer finish, which i'd rather try keep on.)

if i'm unlucky and whatever i do removes the lacquer finish, i can completely strip the interior, and then try and find out what finish ludwig used on their interiors and try to recreate it. ugh, so many possibilities.

I'm so sorry for such a long message, but the more i look into it, the more complicated it becomes and i'm desperate for some guidance. ANY of your wisdom would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much poppy!

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 13 years ago
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my response:

Hi Alex,

First of all I am very flattered that you think im all that. I'll tell you what I know. The clear in the interior of the maple shell is laquer. Ludwig sprayed it on at the factory. I have no idea how manby coats, but i suspect one. Second I have a 69 ludwig kit I aquired from that belonged to a good friend that passed away. It is a double bass with 6 toms and a supra snare. It originally had clear interiors. I cant remember the exact story, but someone painted the interiors white, then black. There are 2 coats of paint over the clear. When I ever got around to it, I plan to experiment on removing the paint. I have several different paint strippers I plan on trying. I really do not have a answer to your delima. There are several threads on this subject. You can search the threads. I have one option I was thinkink about though. Ludwig used a speckeled gray paint on the interiors also. I believe that started in 1969 on the standard models with the same 3 ply shells. Plastikote makes a spray paint almost identicle to that finish. It could have been oriiginal. I would much rather have the clear maple interiors though. Chec out my thread on converting standards to classic. http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=17593 there are some examples of this with plenty of pics. Good luck on your project.

Poppy

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 13 years ago
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his reply:

Oh fantastic! thats one of my questions answered!!! i've been trying to find out what is on those shells for ages now!

Do you think its a nitrocelluose lacquer? I know that thats what guitar companies were using on their guitars back in the day. And also, what degree of sheen do you think it would have? a guitarist friend told me he thinks it was probably a satin sheen, rather than a gloss.

And just for interest sake, it would also have been a lacquer on the "Thermogloss" kits, right? Except do you think that probably would have been a gloss? (given the name "thermogloss" and its degree of sheen?)

oh! and i've already read that entire thread of converting the standards to superclassics, one of the big reasons why i say you are THE man!

as cool as the granitone interior is, i'm really keen on the clear maple interior.

With regard to removing paint, i've visited several hardware stores and joined a woodwork forum, and asked many people about the best way to remove the paint, so i can pass on whatever ideas i've heard if you'd like:

1. The first one is sanding. However this has several issues. Firstly, it is very very time consuming. Also, its possible that along with removing the layers of paint, we'd also remove that lacquer finish, which we'd both rather keep on in our cases. Not only that, but it may remove parts of the interior maple ply and leave the drum uneven.

*next, the chemical methods*

2. Probably the most gentle chemical method is using methylated spirits on a rag. This has a couple of advantages in that i've heard methylated spirits can be used quite safely on wood (especially a hard wood like maple) as it dries very quickly and hence is not absorbed into the wood itself. However methylated spirits will only dissolve and remove water-based paints, it will not work on oil based paints (it will only loosen them). The disadvantage of this is the methylated spirits will probably dissolve the lacquer as well, but it will probably do it slowly.

3. If the paint is oil based then you can use Acetone to remove it. However using acetone will certainly remove the lacquer finish.

4. probably the next step up is using that 3M safest strip. This is the stuff you used on stripping the black paint off your wrap, which was a nitrocellulose wrap was it not? I've read that 3M safest stripper can be used to remove lacquers, but you found that your wrap was mostly unaffected...didn't you? It would be very interesting to see whether the 3M safest stripper would affect the interior nictrocellulose lacquer!

5a). Finally if everything fails, paint stripper is an option, however i'm mostly worried about applying a paint stripper and it affecting the wood in some way. If we were to completely strip back to the bare wood, then i've heard that removing the residue of the paint stripper with methylated spirits will work well. (as it dries very quickly). A lot of woodwork forums suggest washing off paint stripper residue with warm, soapy water. but this definitely does NOT sound like the right way to do it for a drum.

5b) If we were to strip the drum completely we'd have to reapply a nitrocellulose lacquer. Mohawk is a great company which makes AWESOME wood products, i'd use this sanding sealer:

http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/cata...asp?ictnbr=442

and this nitrocellulose topcoat if it came down to reapplying a lacquer. (you can also get the lacquer in whatever sheen you like! dead flat, satin, semi-gloss, gloss etc.)

http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/cata...asp?ictNbr=430

What methods were you thinking?

Cheers!!

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 13 years ago
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Alex is very smart and extremly dedicated to his luddy restoration. I am anxious to see what he ends up doing on this. I bet he gets er done!!!

I hope you dont mind me sharing this Alex.......Mallet Player2

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 13 years ago
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