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Remove paint from 'refurbished' Ludwig Supraphonic 400

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Greetings.

First, I just joined Vintage Drum forum. This is my first post. Looks like a great site!

I recently purchased a 1971 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 snare drum. As I understand, the drum was badly pitted so the former owner decided to 'fix' it up by putting a couple coats of primer on the shell then painting it with a chrome paint.

I have a couple of questions:

1) How will the sound of the snare be affected by what the former owner did to the drum (adding primer and paint)? Since this is my first Supra 400, I don't know how much the sound is affected.

2) I think I would prefer a pitted supra 400 to a painted/primed supra 400. How hard would it be to remove the paint and primer and get back to the original pitted snare?

Thanks in advance!!

John F

Posted on 10 years ago
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Good questions.

Dig around a google search on this website for pitted problems.

1) It will change the sound a little bit but how finiky you ear is -that is what matters.

2) I'd recommend going full monty and sanding off all chrome if you decide to get paint off- (labor intensive with a dremel or otherwise i.e. sanders).

Polished aluminum looks really cool in my book. It will look like early ludwig acrolites did.

What ever you decide, just make sure the bearing edges are not pitted.

Cheers and welcome!

http://slinkzdrums.awardspace.co.uk/painted.html

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks for your response. I may wait a while on going 'full monty' on it. I may trying using the snare at a few gigs and see how it does. I have an 69 acrolite that I use frequently that has that polished aluminum look you are talking about. I love that drum and was looking forward to trying out this supra 400.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I recently had a badly pitted 1971 400 shotblasted then powder coated, and finished off with 3 coats of Audi black pearlescent paint.

Looks and sounds pretty good - sort of Black Beauty-ish and looks good with my restored 72 Gretsch Progressive jazz kit

Pictures here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/116410754577390367293/RobbieSKitRestorationProject

Posted on 10 years ago
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Do what it is worth, there are a lot of custom finished Supra's out there whether polished aluminum or some sort of paint finish. I have a 400 that has a black automotive finish. It may sound a touch more dry or it may just be psychological. Regardless, it is still a great sounding drum and it is no longer embarrassing to take on a gig.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 10 years ago
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Great responses. Keep them coming. From you comments I think I am going to leave the drum 'as is' and leave the paint job on it for now. I used the drum at rehearsal the other night and loved the sound. I also have an acrolite and a black beauty but had always wanted a supra. Even with the paint job, i already love the snare. Each has their own sound. Will be fun to try the Supra out at different venues compared to the other snares.

It's funny - I have been playing drums for over 40 years (yikes) and for probably 30 of those years I had one snare - a steel Pearl 6.5 inch. Somehow I got by! Now I have an embarrassment of riches of snares!

Posted on 10 years ago
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This is a shell I bought off ebay that was badly pitted, chrome flaking off. My first choice was to polish it up but the sand blaster never seems to be working at my job. So I had the paint shop guys at my job sand it smooth. I filled in the pits with very small amounts of body filler. Rattle can primer and finish coat. I also had a friend do a mock florette pattern. Sealed it with several coats of clear lacquer. With shells like this almost anything goes. I play it regularly and it sounds very good. I don't own a supra, so I don't really have anything to compare it to other than my acro which is more open and a sensitone which is a little less open.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Fathertime, I came across your post when I was searching for info on refurbishing Supra's. Very nice! Do you know if the sound of your drum changed much from before you refurbished and then after?

Posted on 10 years ago
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From jfoster_drums

Fathertime, I came across your post when I was searching for info on refurbishing Supra's. Very nice! Do you know if the sound of your drum changed much from before you refurbished and then after?

I could not say because I only bought the bare shell. All the other parts were purchased after I refurbished it. I would think that the work I did probably does change the sound somewhat, Maybe a more focused sound with the layers of paint.

Posted on 10 years ago
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So maybe the paint keeps you from having to put that one or extra moongels on the snare! :)

I often read that one difference between a supraphonic and a acrolite is that the acrolite is a little more 'focused'. So maybe the paint makes the supraphonic sound a little more like an acrolite?

John

Posted on 10 years ago
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