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Question about Slingerland bass drum claws Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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Hello all! I'm curious to know if anyone can tell me if these two claws were made in different decades, or just made my different contractors. If you will notice, the one on top in the first picture has a more swept back look...it seems to be bent back more from the hook. It is the one on the right in the second picture. Looking straight down on the 2, you can just barely see the hole on the one on the left and you can see the hole pretty well on the one at right.

The one on the left in pic 2 is the type that was on my BD when it came to me. The drum was missing 10 original Ts and claws, so I bought some claws off feeBay and I received several like the one on the right in pic 2. I know it's only a minor difference, but I'd love to know if anyone knows more about it.

Thanks!

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 13 years ago
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Somebody educate me, please. Help2

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 13 years ago
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The Cook, "Slingerland Book" , covers details about most hardware used on their drums, w/ no mention of the bass claws. Your guesses are probably all correct, different suppliers, different decades, subtle changes in manufacturing & crimping, change of ownership, & changes in metal thickness. If one looks closely at any makers hardware, lugs & claws , you can see variations over the years, that are not announced, & only noticed by close up comparisons. ( have you inspected the width of the claws, to see if they were adapted for different hoop thicknesses over the years ? )

Posted on 13 years ago
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From tdennis

The Cook, "Slingerland Book" , covers details about most hardware used on their drums, w/ no mention of the bass claws. Your guesses are probably all correct, different suppliers, different decades, subtle changes in manufacturing & crimping, change of ownership, & changes in metal thickness. If one looks closely at any makers hardware, lugs & claws , you can see variations over the years, that are not announced, & only noticed by close up comparisons. ( have you inspected the width of the claws, to see if they were adapted for different hoop thicknesses over the years ? )

I did not. I'll have to give that a look. Thanks for the response!

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 13 years ago
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SlingerLynn,

I just sent all the Slingerland claws I had to ShawnM for a project he's working on. He should get them today, so you might have him to check them out and verify what I'm about to tell you.

The ones I had all came off of the same drum, a 1970s Slingerland marching drum. They weren't all exact duplicates of each other, but showed varying degrees of what you're describing. I'm wondering if some of them at one point in time have more tension applied than others.

I don't mean to rile any avid Slingerland fans, but I've always felt this style of claw was a little weaker than other styles/brands and more apt to have problems. Just my thoughts.

The Pearl "streamlined" version claw that was used on their FG and WFG set of the 70s, although overall a bit stronger built than the Slingerlands (IMO) were prone to doing the same thing -- put too much tension on them and they tended to pull out a little.

Hope this helps. At one time I actually took a comparision photo of the Pearls and the Slingerlands to help someone decide which ones he had. IF I find it I can post it if you like.

Bill

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 13 years ago
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I will check them tonight against the ones off my '79 Slingerland kit.

When I went through them cleaning and polishing yesterday I didn't notice any variance, but I also wasn't looking for it.

The one in your picture appears to be a little flattened versus a non squished one, look at the t-rod hole end.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for the responses, guys!

From billnvick

At one time I actually took a comparision photo of the Pearls and the Slingerlands to help someone decide which ones he had. IF I find it I can post it if you like.Bill

I would like to see that if you can find it.

From Shawn M

I will check them tonight against the ones off my '79 Slingerland kit.When I went through them cleaning and polishing yesterday I didn't notice any variance, but I also wasn't looking for it.The one in your picture appears to be a little flattened versus a non squished one, look at the t-rod hole end.

I don't know why, but I just naturally have always noticed inconsistencies. So, I noticed this. I think you're talking about the back side of the claws where the one at left in pic 2 appears to be rounded from front to back and the one on the right is not completely rounded just before the tail. If so, good eye! I didn't mention that because I didn't think it was very noticeble in the pictures - at least not as noticeable as the angle of the front.

Thanks again fellas!

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 13 years ago
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yup thats what I was talking about and also the first thing I saw.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hi Lynn, Just as a observation my kit came with 9 60's T rods and claws and 11 70's T rods and claws. All of the 60's rods and claws were spray painted silver and the 70's rods and claws were bought by the previous owner as replacements. Both claws look very much the same as the one on the right in your 2nd pic. I have no idea if they are correct/incorrect/mismatched as after some 40+ years they could be just about anything. But I've been wondering the same thing myself. I can see some of the claws wrap around the hoop a little better than others. Not sure of they were bent slightly due to being over tightened at some point. Or if they just vary somewhat. Interesting topic and will be interesting to see what the deal is. Glenn.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Shawn M

yup thats what I was talking about and also the first thing I saw.

Good eye!

From FFR428

Hi Lynn, Just as a observation my kit came with 9 60's T rods and claws and 11 70's T rods and claws. All of the 60's rods and claws were spray painted silver and the 70's rods and claws were bought by the previous owner as replacements. Both claws look very much the same as the one on the right in your 2nd pic. I have no idea if they are correct/incorrect/mismatched as after some 40+ years they could be just about anything. But I've been wondering the same thing myself. I can see some of the claws wrap around the hoop a little better than others. Not sure of they were bent slightly due to being over tightened at some point. Or if they just vary somewhat. Interesting topic and will be interesting to see what the deal is. Glenn.

That's interesting, Glenn! I keep hoping kevins, blairndrums, MIKEY, vintagemore2000, RogerSling, or one of the many guys that really know Slingerland stuff (I apologize if I left any Slingerland guru's name out) will chime in.

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 13 years ago
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