Very nice kit. You could have the hoops and t rods for that inside of 2 weeks. Sell the Pearl and by a chrome rogers snare and you're in great shape. The set will sound yards better than the Pearl. It will be hard to find a matching snare. Those bread and butter lugs are known to crack. Check them out, you may need some replacements to be able to tune the drums.

They are the same color. You have a variation in dye lot between years. The bass drum and the tom were probably a Comet kit . They were manufactured in 1961 or early 1962. Those are Bread and Butter Lugs. Drawn brass, and should not be overtightened as they will crack. There are production replacements currently available that will not crack. The floor tom is an add on, those are beavertail lugs, that drum was produced in 1964-early 1964. And that is why you have two different colors.

Definately a mix and match set. The floor tom has beavertail lugs the others B&B lugs. Look to see if the ft has been redrilled for those lugs or not. I can see a little missmatch in color so the ft was added later and is probably right with beavertail lugs. Tall hoops on the small tom. Also check the B&B's for cracks.

The snare is not Rogers.

If you want to keep them you might look for a floor tom of the same vintage. If your going to sell them do the ft alone. Nice color.

Jack

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You guys have crazy knowledge about vintage. I'm thrilled to get this kind of insight so quickly. Thank you all.

Two questions though -- Ploughman, why is it that the earlier pieces of this kit have serial numbers 22,000 or so higher than the later floor tom? And if the kit is a Comet, why do the labels say Holiday? Than you in advance.

Cant explain the numerical sequence. They built drums. Did not worry with numbers. Bass Drum, tom, snare drum, without the floor tom was the viking kit with single tension lugs top and bottom. I think this is what you have. The drums were made no later than 1963, with the bread and butter lugs. The floor tom was made 1963 or 64 most likely, it was a special order, and could be the reason for the odd numbered tag. The color difference, as stated is due to variations of fade between dye lots in the same color, at least thats what I think.

The Comet kit was with single row of mid centered lugs and long rods to the hoops. "Tower" Drums.

If you need money now, the Rogers are more likely to give it to you, than the pearl set. Good luck.

A 14" floor in Grey Ripple AND with Beavertails!?!?!

The floor tom is worth a lot of dough. One just sold on eBay for about $1400.00 I believe.

Jack:)

I've been peeking at this thread all day, but have resisted posting because I need to exercise some discipline and get a lot of stuff done today -- but you guys are killing me! $1400 if the floor tom is grey?

Y'know - at first I thought they were all blue. Then I thought the floor tom was grey and was dissappointed a little, but not very much because I have high hopes for a great sounding kit regardless if they match or not. Then I photograph them and the floor tom looks blue in the photo, confirmed by Ploughman. So I'm happy again. (all this on top of being dissappointed by the snare drum not being Rogers, then thrilled because the Ludwig snare drum I had stashed in my attic turned out to be a good one). Now I'm thrilled to find that if it is grey - it's worth a lot of dough - so I take another look at it. I bring it into another room to look at it away from the blue ripples, and boy it looks grey. Funny how perception changes according to what I want to believe.

So I photograph the floor tom by itself - and it looks blue in the photo. I need a vacation.

Back to the drum - I compare the photos to the real thing, and I convince myself that my camera is adding a blue tint. But at this point I hesitate to commit to it because I am not sure if I'm coloring my own perception because of what I want to believe. Can someone come on over and take a look in person? I'm serious -- I'm just outside of Atlantic City, NJ -- in Brigantine. Email me if you think you'd like to come check it out in person.

Anyway, here's some photos -- completely unretouched. Check out the photo of the close-up of the label -- note the color of the paint on the interior of the shell. That is close to the true color of the interior paint and label. Compare it to the photo where I shot the interior from further back. Am I losing it or does the photo taken from further away look blue-ish? Ah, crap I'm tired. I've been registered here for one day and I'm exhausted from the roller coaster ride.

So now I don't know whether I want the drum to be blue or grey anymore. If it's blue -- I get to keep it and restore it and play it. If it's grey I will probably have to sell it because of money issues. Even my wife is upset because she knows at this point it'll kill me to sell them. I really don't mean to be so much of a complainer, because this is really a pleasurable torture, y'know? Anyway - here's pics for you guys to judge what you can:

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[IMG]http://bigbangzero.com/ftint.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://bigbangzero.com/ftfull.jpg[/IMG]

And here we have another monkey wrench -- what is with that blacked out model name? Then the handwritten Holiday in the top left corner of the label. I can't make out what is beneath the black marker, but the last letter looks like it could be the front leg of an R. Sheesh Louise!

Ok........to further monkey wrench your whole parade........ this drum is a one off. It is not a production piece. The gray spatter trunk painted interior did not start till 1968. A cleveland tag would not be on a 1968 drum. The tag originally had TOWER on it......and to see it blacked out with holiday written in, .......is not at all unusual. Perhaps this was a special order that was intended to fill someones set out. So, ......im thinking you have a drum produced in mid to late Dayton period, after 1967, fitted with a cleveland tower tag. Thats why the serial number is not consistent. I still maintain there was a Powertone snare drum with this set originally, and it was a Viking set up. Unless I am wrong. The star washers point it towards later in 1968. Good luck.

Now, if that is a 14x14, or a 14 x 16 depth, its worth a grand. as is.

Ploughman - it's 14" x 14". $1,000? Holy cow!! I hope you're not pulling my leg - I can be a bit gullible from time to time. Cool