It IS between old friends, no offense taken, anyhow I guess you are not familar with Banda musicians. This was a commission for a Mexican Banda drummer. They like as many lugs as possible, it's like a status symbol or something. Sort of like a musicians equivalent of a low rider complete with air shocks and fuzzy dice. They also do this with their tarolas, a mexican snare drum. They like them real deep and with a lot of lugs. Then they tighten the crap out of them to get a real high pitched crack on a real deep drum. May seem weird to you and me, but the customer is always right you know. [IMG]http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]