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Percent of unmodified classic American kits left?

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Based on your experience, of the 1950-1979 Ludwig, Gretsch, Slingerland and Rogers kits that are still playable today, what percent do you think remains unmodified? For purposes of this discussion, I’m going fairly liberal: I think of unmodified as no re-wrapping, no extra holes, no non-factory mods, no material repairs, etc. I would accept as unmodified: non-standard equipment factory-installed or installed at time of purchase by the original retailer, new heads/snares/etc., minor cleaning or light sanding of edges, touching up black hoops, etc.

What do you all think?

12/14/20 Mahogany INDe Bop Cocktail Hybrid

Late 50s Black Nitron 3 Ply Gretsch 13/16/20 w/ Max Roach Snare
Posted on 6 years ago
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Well if you go by your time frame 1950-1979' I would say 50%

I am not sure how you would be able to tell but I gauged it by what I own in that era.

7 out of the 9 kits I have are unmolested as you say. But I am thinking that is higher than usual. Until we see what others here might have, I might change my mind.

If you based it on just what I have it would be about 75%

It would be interesting to see what other's percentages are from the forum.

But I still think because we tend to buy unmolested it might be higher % wise than a realistic number that is actually out there.

Wayne

Posted on 6 years ago
#2
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Seven out of eight for sure ... I have a feeling the silver sparkle was rewrapped.

Al

9x Slingerland New Rock 50N 12-13-16-22 with 170 (Super S-O-M) holder
• 1979 Oak
• 1978 Blakrome + 6.5x14 TDR SD
• 1977 Black Diamond Pearl + 5x14 SD (gold badge, Rapid strainer)
• 1976 Black Cordova
• 1975 Silver Sparkle + 5x14 SD (Rapid strainer)
• 1974 Chrome + 5x14 COB TDR and 6.5x14 COW Zoomatic SDs
• 1973 Purple Sparkle
• 1973 Phantom (clear)
• 1971 Walnut (gold badges) + 5x14 TDR SD
1x Rogers Powertone Londoner V 12-13-16-22
• 1972 Butcher Block + 1979 big R Dynasonic SD
Posted on 6 years ago
#3
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I have eight sets. One is modified.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 6 years ago
#4
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STOP DRUM MOLESTATION!

Those people are sickos. My Star kit still has nightmares about her badges being ripped off.

Stop stringing and tuning your instrument, make music now.
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Vintage Drums:
1970ish Ludwig Standard Avocado Strata downbeat
1970ish Star Acrylic 22,12,13,16
1950’s Gretsch tympani 26.5
19?? Sonor roto-tympani 13x12
70’s Ludwig Standard alum 14x5 snare
90’s Arbiter Adv. Tuning 12x5 snare
90’s Ludwig blackrolite 14x5 snare

Modern Drums:
Erie Drums 1-ply sycamore shell kit 18,10,13
Erie 1-ply maple 14x5 snare
Tama S.L.P. Acrylic 14x6.5 snare
Posted on 6 years ago
#5
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I spent 30 years as a manufacturer's rep in the music business. The 27 years representing a major guitar and amp manufacturer taught me that damn few electric guitars and basses live to be a couple years old before someone decides that the manufacturer of the instrument didn't use the "right" components to make his or her instrument. We have a fair idea of how many companies there are that exist only to offer doodads to alter the drums that some other company built. That number is tiny compared to number of companies that exist solely to "correct" the "mistakes" that Gibson, Fender, Rickenbacker, Gretsch, and every other guitar maker have made in the millions of instruments they have sold.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 6 years ago
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Five of the six vintage drum sets that I currently own have some type of modification ranging from an added cymbal mount to a rewrap. My 1963 Leedy Shelly Manne set came to me with original heads as well as completely unmolested shells. I chose to keep the other five sets because I like them just the way they are. I sold off several 100% original vintage sets because I did not need them, and I could sell them at considerable profits. I have never obsessed about the correctness of every tension rod on a snare drum or tom. I also don't obsess about the screws that hold the lugs on the shells and other unseen fasteners.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 6 years ago
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I've owned 14 vintage kits in the past 10 years .... all 60s kits

Rogers

Ludwig

and Gretsch

only one was modified ... one of my Gretsch RB kits had extra holes in the bass drum ... thats it

Posted on 6 years ago
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My 1966 Rogers Headliner kit is unmolested! My 1967 Slingerland kit was part of a Duet outfit, with a virgin bass drum. The other bass drum and rack tom were already sold and I didn't want to put the existing rack tom on a stand, so I added a Maxwell rail mount, with the addition of 2 holes. My 1971 Slingerland Modern Solo is unmolested! Does the replacement of missing bass drum hoop inlays count?

-Mark

Posted on 6 years ago
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I have several unmodified Radio King shells that may have been reassembled with period-correct streamline lugs, legs, hoops, and mufflers, mostly attached with the correct screws and washers as well. However, some tension rods and mounting screws are difficult to verify if they are genuine or the proper manufacturer, but they look correct. Also, Radio King tom shells are virtually identical from the mid 30's to the mid 50's. So in my case, I have an aluminum cloud badge bass drum, which were produced from 1942 to 1947, and two floor toms with legs, which started production in 1947. I'm 99.99% sure the kit was not "born together." But do I have an "unmodified" 1947 Radio King kit? I say yes. You are free to disagree with me, but I'm not selling at a discount if you do. :)

Posted on 6 years ago
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