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If someone were to do an analysis of our thread topics, I bet there would be an evident shift in what is typically discussed here.

When I joined these forums (DFO included) it was around 2007-2008. Back then, especially in THIS category, most threads were about vintage 60s-70s MIJ and the stencil phenomenon. Those were very exciting days of learning for me. I was embraced by a handful of the diehard Mentors on here and I sucked it all up like a sponge.

I am not saying it does not still happen, but it seems to me that the MIJ phenom is much less discussed now. I believe it has become much more common knowledge. I believe this social media, on a large scale, has virtually and drastically changed the collective knowledge about all vintage drums.

My friends and brothers tell me I should deal drums for a living with all I know about vintage drums. I believe I do know enough (and am resourceful enough) to function as a drum dealer full time. Unfortunately, the pricing and the overwhelming common knowledge has changed everything in the world of instrument dealing. Gone are the days when all it took was knowledge. It is almost impossible for anyone to make a decent living dealing instruments with the onset of the internet, forums like these and the easy access to expert level knowledge; and the fierce no-room competition that recent developments have helped create.

So I guess there are pros and cons to all this.....but my whole point of this thread (what got me to post this in the first place I guess) is that the fascinating knowledge I enjoyed learning back then has become much more common knowledge now that it is much more infrequent that it comes up (MIJ stencil phenom) - and that more now than before, this category has become less active than before, and I will admit, much more difficult to find a fascinating discussion for me to find.

Thanks for letting me think outloud.......

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 9 years ago
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Thinking out loud brings up good points!

My main source of information comes from sitting in front of my computer and checking out relevant websites. I have not embraced this whole "social media" thing! While it has its good points, it also has a dark side. One aspect of the "dark side", as you've mentioned, is that pricing for vintage items, especially MIJ, has, in most cases, gone through the roof! Too many people with too little knowledge of vintage drums are pricing these things as if they are sitting on a pot of gold! I'm not saying there aren't good deals to be found, it's just that it's getting tougher to find!

My days of collecting MIJ snare drums are over! I'm not going to pay ridiculous prices for a drum that should only go for less than $50. In many cases, way less!

The same holds true for vintage American-made drums. Many are priced into the stratosphere, simply because a seller, with not much knowledge, explores the social media world and thinks they know everything!

OK, I'm getting ahead of myself and feel like I'm just ranting! Whew...I feel better!

Let's see what others have to say and contribute to this.

Dj333, thanks for getting this started!

Mark

Posted on 9 years ago
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Hey Mark - Here is an example of an MIJ snare - but might be worth it - because it also comes with an add-on tom and a mic stand. Would need to be shipped, but thought I would share this with ya. The tom could be sold off and you can never have too many mic stands.

I would snag it myself but I am out of state right now.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/msg/4896973243.html

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 9 years ago
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I started at almost the same time as Drummerjohn333 here into the dicussion and remembered the first postings very well. ('Is this a Star or a Pearl drumset?')

A fascinating time back then. But we can't stop times (and as we say here, translated:

Nothing is more constant than being in flux.)

It is in the nature of the WWW that knowledge is spread wide. But the more knowledge is therein, the more it is difficult to find the required information in detail. The 'deep' knowledge can't be compared with the 'quick' knowledge emerged through a quick google search.

I also can confirm that bargains are becoming more and more hard to find. They are still there, but harder to find, more rare, and - there has come up more competition in the hunt. You have to hurry, if a real bargain is on.

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 9 years ago
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The only place knowledge seems to hold fast and true is here. And places like unto here. The more people who I find myself in contact with through that same "social media," the more I believe that in this age of widespread knowledge available from forum histories, catalog archival sites, self published drum company histories, and commercially available works dealing with the same, ..... people are still woefully ignorant. Higher prices on craigslist or ebay are not an indication people know more now than they used to know. It is rather an indication they watch Pickers, Pawn Stars and Storage Wars, expecting to make a killing from whatever junk they have to sell. It is unbelievable how much ignorance still persists. Every myth, falsehood, whacko idea and misconception is still alive and well. Its best buddy, "Greed," is also very healthy and likely to survive for many ages to come.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 9 years ago
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I first came here in 2011 and I was like a kid in a candy store. Almost every day people were showing the insane bargains they had just gotten and info was going back and forth constantly. Also Ive noticed a lot of the "gurus" from that time rarely post now if at all. I hope it isnt because they are in poor health or passed on. I dont know what it is exactly but I get the feeling those days are over. Is it that the bargains have dried up and everyone is more knowledgeable now? Or have I become more knowledgeable and the info that once fascinated me is just common knowledge now?

Posted on 9 years ago
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Facebook has had a negative impact on many of the vintage and other drum forums.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 9 years ago
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I don't do Facebook what is the issue?

You can still find deals. They just don't fall out of the sky into your lap. Do you have an advert in the local trader paper wanting to buy old music instruments? Know the folks at the pawn stores and make them aware what you are looking for? Check CL/eBay every day? Stop by the thrift stores ask them to call if something shows up. Working relationship with every input venue will get you a chance to find things. They quite often have no idea what something is worth.

Creighton

Nothing special here but I like them.
Posted on 9 years ago
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