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Nightmare on 34th Street

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so i'm beginning to learn a very valuable lesson in the vintage drum community..

you people are nuts!

i've never seen someone get so bent out of shape over the littlest things.

example: man i would love to buy that snare drum..but one of the tensioning rods is not original..

are you kidding me?

don't get me wrong..i pretty much only buy things that are original (my definition=not altered/customized from the factory) but passing on a snare because it doesn't have the original snare wires? come on.

i'm brining this up because i recently had an Ebay sale turn into a nightmare.

lets just say i sold someone a "drum" and that "drum" had a few minor issues that i never even knew about (because i don't take apart my drums lug for lug and go over their "authenticity") and now i owe that someone serious $$$ and cannot get x-mas gifts for my significant other/family.

it just amazes me how bent out of shape these collectors/players can get.

i understand extra holes/a re-wrap..but a small split in the re-enforcement hoop? no.

these things i'm speaking of are just examples of course. i'm not gonna get into to the whole "reality" of my Ebay nightmare.

but i've just really learned a valuable lesson(s) when it comes to vintage

drums.

DON'T TRUST ANYONE!

you don't "know" people in the internet community (craigslist/ebay) you have to ask questions, get pictures, get serial numbers, etc. THE DRUMS NEVER LIE! take them apart! look at the interiors of the shells! a lot of people are good cover-up artists out there! be careful! i made the mistake of trusting the person i bought the "drum" from and now i'm paying for it.

THIS IS THE VOICE OF REASON!

i'm just trying to help you guys not fall into the same trap that i have. and if you know ebay members/shops/people who do this..TELL EVERYONE! why would you want someone to suffer the same tragedy you went through? we here on the forum must stick together for the greater good and help one-another! (hence my ranting)

in closing..

i wonder..how particular are you about vintage drums? are you one of the "psychos" (as i call them) and if so..why!?

p.s.

just speaking from a bad experience..never meaning to offend.

-shaun

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nashu.bandcamp.com
Posted on 13 years ago
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EBay is all about keeping the buyer happy these days.

It's important to go over your merchandise with a fine toothed comb, and disclose everything... even the tiniest things in your descriptions to avoid your situation.

Sometimes buyers get "buyer's remorse" and will bring up those little details that one might leave out of the description, and use them to get their money back.

So, it's best to be as detailed and up front as possible.

Sorry about your hassle, man.

Kev

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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Wow, that's too bad. It may have been how you stated it's description that you had to stand behind it. Maybe it should have been more vague...for instance, AS IS.

Posted on 13 years ago
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This is the exact reason that I gave up on E-Bay and that useless list that some guy named Craig developed.......as far as buying/selling through the forum....it's been 50/50 for me. Sometimes I get a great deal on something BETTER than described and sometimes I get something "not quite as described".......not grossly misrepresented mind you, but not exactly as they thought it was, you know?

Its always gonna be like Mr Brady once said to Greg.....Caveat Emptor....

:2Cents:

Posted on 13 years ago
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I've had that happen with a non-ebay sale as well......bummer

Posted on 13 years ago
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I'm starting to wonder whether or not it would behoove sellers to just list items as "completely broken" -even when it's obviously an excellent item that photographically contradicts the description. That way the buyer will always be pleasantly surprised. Or, if you get a bad buyer who just wants to make trouble by opening some kind of "Item Not As Described", what can they say? "The seller said the item was broken, but it wasn't!"??? :p

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 13 years ago
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From O-Lugs

I'm starting to wonder whether or not it would behoove sellers to just list items as "completely broken" -even when it's obviously an excellent item that photographically contradicts the description. That way the buyer will always be pleasantly surprised. Or, if you get a bad buyer who just wants to make trouble by opening some kind of "Item Not As Described", what can they say? "The seller said the item was broken, but it wasn't!"??? :p

"Promise a little, deliver more" - An old sales angle I learned and used to try and practice. Good call, O-Lugs.

I've not had any problems like this selling anything and I hope I never do. Sorry to hear about your trouble. I don't know about people being psychos about vintage drums (though, some of us call ourselves crazy about 'em), but we need to know what we're selling and maybe do some homework to make sure the item is what it is and is accurately described, in the future. That said, I can't see being that disappointed about one non-original t-rod, but that's me. Is there more to this story, or was the buyer a genuine tool?

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 13 years ago
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the buyer was a great guy.

i never would have paid him if he wasn't..he even let me pay him in installments.

there were just issues with the "drum" that both i and (supposedly) the gentlemen who sold me the "drum" weren't aware of.

believe me..i've learned my lesson. i'm never buying anything again without being able to completely gut/go-over it.

nashu.bandcamp.com
Posted on 13 years ago
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I've had a non drum ebay experience as a seller. I sold a iPod Touch that i sold as-is, damaged screen, although the ipod touch still functionally worked. Ended up selling for over $50, buyer received, and I got rude email after email. I just kept telling them please read my description, and that I stated, please ask any questions before bidding. Bidder never sent email before bidding, so I told the buyer to contact ebay. After review, ebay agreed with me (after about 4 months of email exchange) and all was good (other than wasted time).

When it comes to drum stuff (as a buyer) when buying on ebay or a forum, I only purchase from forum members that I've had discussions with in the past, and as far as ebay, I only make it a habit to buy from drum shops, pawn shops and haven't had a problem in over 5 years.

Matt's Vintage Drums - Chicago, Illinois

I collect 6 lug Slingerland snare drums. Let me know if you have any for sale. Looking for Yellow Tiger, Silver Veil Pearl & Turquoise Veil Pearl
Posted on 13 years ago
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Some are passionate about drums, some dig guitars, some like old toys, some like dead cats. We all have our passions. I'm sure that to some, my passion for Christ and my family is a bit odd. Much like what you experienced with the one incorrect tension piece, it is what it is. We don't have to understand each other. We certainly don't have to be tolerant. I've read the book cover to cover many times, and in no way shape or form does He desire this. So, what do we do when someone acts a fool about something like a drum? Ignore it the best you can and move on. That's really all there is to it. If a deal goes bad, you already have the best advice I can give, "Don't trust anyone". That's how all deals should go down. I've walked away from quite a few deals just because I didn't like the way it felt. It takes a lot to earn my trust (like most people) and I don't deal with just anyone. I've pulled eBay items because I didn't like the high bidder. I've given away drums rather than sell them for the same reasons. The key is keeping it all in perspective. if you love money, then you will get burned. Period. If you place value elsewhere, you lessen the chance of pain from losing money. We all walk the paths we walk. I've gotten ****ed off at some deals. I've lost my temper and done the slam the man because of some mooks bad ethics. But in the end ... it really doesn't matter. None of it does. So, I forget about it and move on. Life is too short to do otherwise.

Posted on 13 years ago
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